I think Reed was a bit of a steriotype.

[Infern0]

If you think about it, the old "stiff upper lip" Englishman is a dying breed these days, in 150 years time, after world war 3 i don't think there will be any left, yet Reed was pretty much your typical Hollywood Brit. I just found it a bit dissapointing that they took the easy route with him.

 

[jgdst]

They did seem to go down that route sometimes, which used to make me laugh. Like his disagreement with Hayes in Harbinger where he finishes the discussion with "Jolly good!", or Archer assuming he follows football (sorry, soccer ) in Minefield, and I'm sure they make a reference to tea and crumpets at some point too

I just assumed it was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek rather than having Hugh Grant as the adorable bumbling English gentleman on the bridge.

"I-I-I-I-I-I-I'm terribly sorry, uhhh I-I-I-I seem to have accidentally fired every torpedo at that Xindi moonbase before you gave the order".

Classic stuff

 

[The Badger]

It would have been more entertaining if, instead of an upper class fop, they'd gone for an east end hard man type.
What do you reckon, Jason Statham or Ross Kemp?

 

[jamestyler]

It would have been more entertaining if, instead of an upper class fop, they'd gone for an east end hard man type.
What do you reckon, Jason Statham or Ross Kemp?

I just had a vision of the Mitchel brothers in space headbutting the Klingons. Thats not a good move

I would have gone for someone more Northern. For some reason those in the North always sound more 'soldierish' to me.

 

[jgdst]

It would have been more entertaining if, instead of an upper class fop, they'd gone for an east end hard man type.
What do you reckon, Jason Statham or Ross Kemp?

I just had a vision of the Mitchel brothers in space headbutting the Klingons. Thats not a good move

I would have gone for someone more Northern. For some reason those in the North always sound more 'soldierish' to me.

Oh aye, th'eck as liiiiike! I did read that originally Reed was supposed to be from Blackpool, until Keating spoke with his usual accent and they decided that was probably better for all concerned. Still, it'd be good to see a Yorkshireman firing "phorrrtons" or a Scouser trying to 'calm down' warring planets.

I think you're onto something there

 

[The Badger]

....or a Scouser trying to 'calm down' warring planets.

At the risk of wandering into a different stereotype, I can't help but picture one of Harry Enfields Scousers on the bridge!


The Turbolift doors open. Enter Lt. Malcolm Reed, the new security officer. He has black curly hair and a big moustache, and is wearing a shell suit. He approaches the alien ambassador and speaks.

REED: Who the f*ck d'ya think your lookin' at, pal?


With many apologies to those Liverpudlians reading!

 

[jgdst]

^
LOL superb! I think we can agree the show would've got its seven seasons if this had happened.

 

[Infern0]

What about Sean Bean as Reed, he would have been good.

I'm actually not having a go at Keaton, he did a good job, just some of the lines he was given etc were bad.

 

[The Badger]

Sean Bean as Reed? Good idea, that'd work.

Of course, now I want to recast all the human characters as being from different parts of the UK.
Archer would be a Geordie, who favours wandering round the frozen Andorian homeworld in his vest. Typical dialogue, "Why-aye, T'Pol pet, can you get 'em oot for the lads?"
Trip should be from the Midlands, with a vocal patten somewhere between Ozzy Osbourne and Noddy Holder.
Hoshi is from Glasgow. Still a superb linguist, she can threaten to glass you in forty languages.
Travis I think should be Welsh. To actually give the character something to do he should be the Trek version of Jeff from Coupling.

 

[SFRabid]

If Reed had been a true Brit steriotype he would have been a bad cook and boring lover.

 

[Magickthise]

If you think about it, the old "stiff upper lip" Englishman is a dying breed these days, in 150 years time, after world war 3 i don't think there will be any left, yet Reed was pretty much your typical Hollywood Brit. I just found it a bit dissapointing that they took the easy route with him.

Reed is British? I thought he was French. His accent is just like Picard's.

 

[Infern0]

If you think about it, the old "stiff upper lip" Englishman is a dying breed these days, in 150 years time, after world war 3 i don't think there will be any left, yet Reed was pretty much your typical Hollywood Brit. I just found it a bit dissapointing that they took the easy route with him.

Reed is British? I thought he was French. His accent is just like Picard's.

A good joke, but we know reed was british from dialogue

 

[Alidar Jarok]

and I'm sure they make a reference to tea and crumpets at some point too

I like that moment because it was ultimate sarcasm by Reed (and the exact opposite of stereotyping him). He ordered coffee and someone says "what, no tea?" and he responds sardonically with "yeah and no crumpets either" or something like that.

 

[jamestyler]

Of course, now I want to recast all the human characters as being from different parts of the UK.
Archer would be a Geordie, who favours wandering round the frozen Andorian homeworld in his vest. Typical dialogue, "Why-aye, T'Pol pet, can you get 'em oot for the lads?"
Trip should be from the Midlands, with a vocal patten somewhere between Ozzy Osbourne and Noddy Holder.
Hoshi is from Glasgow. Still a superb linguist, she can threaten to glass you in forty languages.
Travis I think should be Welsh. To actually give the character something to do he should be the Trek version of Jeff from Coupling.

I'm writing something now with two Brits - one from Coventry the other from Glasgow. I'm suddenly wanting to change the Coventry XO to a Geordie just to play with the accent.

I would complain about the Glasgow stereotype but since living here I've had several people pull knifes on me and two trips to A&E just from walking home

 

[Bacl]

I always thought they should have made Reed gay, but hell, apparently they have a cure for that in the future (seeing as we've never seen a gay character).

 

[jamestyler]

I always thought they should have made Reed gay, but hell, apparently they have a cure for that in the future (seeing as we've never seen a gay character).

That would be my first fix if someone was stupid enough to let me be in charge of a Trek show. I wouldn't go all Torchwood with it though... just as casual and natural as Dax's kiss.

 

[Bacl]

I always thought they should have made Reed gay, but hell, apparently they have a cure for that in the future (seeing as we've never seen a gay character).

That would be my first fix if someone was stupid enough to let me be in charge of a Trek show. I wouldn't go all Torchwood with it though... just as casual and natural as Dax's kiss.

No, I wouldn't go all Torchwood with it either. I honestly think the character of Reed would have been a very "honest" gay character. The actor was very talented and could have pulled off what Star Trek was all about: humanizing a repressed group that we fear. It also would have helped them flesh out the character into less of a "Let's blow stuff up!" stereotype, and...again...more human.

 

[Infern0]

I always thought they should have made Reed gay, but hell, apparently they have a cure for that in the future (seeing as we've never seen a gay character).

That would be my first fix if someone was stupid enough to let me be in charge of a Trek show. I wouldn't go all Torchwood with it though... just as casual and natural as Dax's kiss.

No, I wouldn't go all Torchwood with it either. I honestly think the character of Reed would have been a very "honest" gay character. The actor was very talented and could have pulled off what Star Trek was all about: humanizing a repressed group that we fear. It also would have helped them flesh out the character into less of a "Let's blow stuff up!" stereotype, and...again...more human.

I don't know if it was required, I liked Reed being straight, especially as he had a macho job, Travis could have been gay, I actually think he was written that way.

 

[jgdst]

^ It's always the quiet ones, isn't it?

DN DN TSH!

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[Skywalker]

Actually, I kind of like the idea of the guy in charge of the weapons and security being gay, precisely because his job would be considered "macho."