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I just watched Star Trek: Generations for the first time in ten years.

Quinton O'Connor

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And it wasn't half as good as I thought it was when I was twelve. :(

I didn't hate it, though. I thought it was about on-par with the average TNG two-parter, which I'm sure Moore and Braga weren't going for. But there's far worse TNG. There's just... far better, too.
 
Re: I just watched Star Trek: Generations for the first time in ten ye

But there's far worse TNG. There's just... far better, too.
Yeah, I think most people would agree, although some BBSers definitely rate GEN amongst the worst Trek movies ever :lol:

To be quite honest, I mainly watch GEN for starship porn - I love the 1701-B and the Farragut. Too bad they don't get more screentime, especially the latter ;)
 
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I watched all 10 movies in 2009, leading up to XI. GEN was jarring. It felt like exactly what it was: TV people making a movie.

The script was rushed, written over the 1993 hiatus, with Ron Moore and Brannon Braga trying to put together all the ideas they had into a cohesive plot, while trying to get Kirk and Picard together in a way that wasn't time travel. Darkened sets and loaned DS9 uniforms that aren't even tailored to the Jonathan Frakes or LeVar Burton don't help either.

What made FC better was that it was an inspired idea that wasn't quilt-work, the ship and uniforms were made from scratch, Picard is given a much stronger character arc continued from BOBW, and Jerry Goldsmith is a much better composer.

The difference between Generations and First Contact was night and day.
 
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^ Amen. I like aspects of GEN, and take it for what it is, but FC is far superior in both writing and execution.
 
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It's no masterpiece, but it's fun enough.
 
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I'm glad there's a relative agreement on things. I definitely felt that the script was rushed. I thought there was more of Guinan's character in the movie than there was, too, and that disappointed me.
 
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Didn't Moore and Braga basically have a checklist from Paramount of things they had to include in the film? I think a lot of the times the studios demand things be put into movies that aren't well considered and that can hamper the writing of a script. If it's more organic it may make for a better script. I think Moore/Braga had a more freer hand in First Contact and it shows since it is a superior film to Generations.
 
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Pretty much the only thing I don't like about FC is the immediate opening. That is to say, the complete lack of down time before storming into events. It seems odd for a feature film.

Everything else is great, though.
 
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That was probably due to the insistence that the Trek movies come in under 2 hours during the Berman era.
 
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You are not going to believe this. I was cleaning out my old DVD movies to sell and raise some money. And I accidentally sold my only copy of Generations. Thinking that I also had it in a boxed set; which I didn't.
And I have no desire to repurchase it. (blasphemy)
 
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Didn't Moore and Braga basically have a checklist from Paramount of things they had to include in the film? I think a lot of the times the studios demand things be put into movies that aren't well considered and that can hamper the writing of a script. If it's more organic it may make for a better script. I think Moore/Braga had a more freer hand in First Contact and it shows since it is a superior film to Generations.

That's correct. Among other things, they could only use three TOS cast members in the first reel, Picard needed a plotline, Data needed a subplot, the villain had to be "larger than life," there needed to be Klingons, etc. Moore and Braga go into more detail in their (surprisingly candid) DVD commentary.

While I agree with the first poster (I thought GEN was awesome when I was 10; today, not so much)...

...I think this film is, at times, more epic than FC or INS, both of which seem smaller by comparison. I know that sounds odd given FC's epic tale of time travel and Borg, not to mention INS' location photography, but... I don't know. There's some stuff in GEN that still impresses me: the main titles, the shot of the ribbon moving along the planet's surface which they used in the TV spots, the visual effects, the cinematography (I happen to love how they lit the Enterprise in this film).

Maybe it's simply the transition from TV to film. After all, we had just finished TNG six months earlier so anything they did on the big screen would seem bigger and "more epic" by comparison.
 
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Generations is my favorite TNG movie.
 
Re: I just watched Star Trek: Generations for the first time in ten ye

Generations is my favorite TNG movie.

This. First Contact was nothing more than a generic zombie flick... Insurrection had yuppies fighting eminent domain and Nemesis was just a flat mess.
 
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I really thought Generations was terribly paced and its script left something to be desired. First Contact might be something of a zombie flick, but I found it FAR from generic.
 
Re: I just watched Star Trek: Generations for the first time in ten ye

Generations is my favorite TNG movie.

This. First Contact was nothing more than a generic zombie flick... Insurrection had yuppies fighting eminent domain and Nemesis was just a flat mess.

I have to agree. For all it's faults, GEN was the closest to the feel of TNG on the big screen. And, despite the debacle of how Kirk's death was handled imo, it was great to see The Shat in action one more time.
 
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I liked seeing Shatner again and hardly cared how Kirk died... seriously, I didn't. But the 'action' of the fight with Soren did very little for me.
 
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While it had many problems, it's my favorite of the TNG movies.
 
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The one redeeming feature of ST:GEN was the direction. The shots of the Enterprise(s) were beautiful, the color added to the scenes, the acting was as good as you could get given the material. Generations is an absolute turd polished to a mirror finish.

The ending though...yuck. All the build up to the Picard-Kirk meeting, and they spend 90% of it with Picard stalking Kirk and generally annoying him and the audience. On top of that, Kirk should have whupped Soran's skinny ass. From his perspective, he had just kicked some blue guy in the knee-nads 6 months prior, not to mention the shape-shifting transvestite out in the cold. You'd think he'd still be in decent shape.

I'm thinking that wasn't the real Kirk. Jimbo hired a double to fill in for the E-B, while he went out rock climbing. When shit hit the fan, he high-tailed it out to some far away world to retire with some green woman far away from prying eyes that otherwise looked upon him as a fallen hero.
 
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Generations, IMHO, is the only TREK movie that felt like TNG...

It's like an epilogue to the series.
 
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