I don't understand why they made Picard not marrying dr. Crusher in the movie. Why? Because they want to put some beautiful women as his love interest? That's lame. Making Picard as a womanizer central hero won't make him better. Instead, make him married with Baverly and show him fatherly figure can boost his characterims in the eyes of Fans.
I don't understand why they made Picard...
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Oh, I think Gates McFadden is quite beautiful.
"Lessons" does an excellent job of making the point that having a romantic relationship with someone who is in your direct chain of command is exceedingly difficult. The many pitfalls of such a romantic entanglement between a captain and one of his officers are shown in Picard's romantic relationship with Lieutenant Commander Daren in that episode. Those very same pitfalls of fraternization would happen in a P/C romantic relationship. Picard makes it very clear in the end of that episode that he personally CAN NOT handle placing his lover in harms way. In my opinion, that more than Beverly walking out at the end of "Attached" or the failed marriage and divorce in the alternate timeline of "All Good Things" was the death knell of any canon P/C relationship. Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
You don't need to marry Picard off to make him a fatherly figure. In fact, I think many people do see a fatherly figure in him, especially in his interactions with Riker and Data (Worf too).
Personally I'm glad they never truly developed a P/C relationship, for several reasons:
- Beverly would be demoted to Captain's Wife and it's not as if her position was that female-empowered to start with (though certainly a better attempt than Troi's)
-There would've been a lot more romantic drama, which on the one hand is good, but somehow I don't think it would've worked as a permanent addition to TNG. Glimpses of O'Brien/Keiko's marriage, the short relationships that the main castmembers often had, provided a nice insight in both characters and the social structure onboard the E, but a P/C romance would have to be addressed in pretty much every episode. I'd much rather see Picard deal with Tomalak than have to find his role as Wesley's step-dad
- Less fanfic. While I don't read P/C fanfic, I think we can take the Imzadi-fanficworld as a good example of why unrecruited love inspires more people to write than an existing relationship. Since Riker and Troi got married on screen, the number of fanfics (and the quality/originality of said fanfics) has plummeted.
- And lastly, as mentioned above, Lessons is an excellent example of why an onscreen P/C relationship wouldn't work.
All that said, I must say I find the premise of the opening post a little superficial and shallow... plus, what's with the implication that Beverly wasn't "hot"?
It probably would have been interesting to start with..but if they started being a full-on couple, it probably would have turned into one of those unending on/off relationships that just get done to death in so many things and end up being boring.
Riker obviously felt differently, however, since he married someone who was soon to become his subordinate on the Titan and pursued relationships with various other members of the crew. So, it's personal choice, sure, but at least Picard was brave enough to make it.
Another example - it's clear Janeway felt that romantic relationships with anyone on her ship were out of the question, especially considering that if it didn't work out and became awkward there was nowhere to get reassigned to.
Indeed.
In fact I felt she got even more attractive as the series went on. Definitely Milf material
Wesley's mom has got it goin on!!!!!
I recall reading in several of Mark Altman's yearly Cinefantastique articles that TPTB often played with the notion of marrying off Picard, especially in "Data's Day," but would decide not to as they felt it would limit the character. I feel the opposite, I think marrying him off and not necessarily off to Crusher, would've opened up his character and created a new area for personnel drama.
One of those articles also mentioned that TPTB toyed with the idea of getting Picard and Troi together since the former sought the latter's advice many times.
One of those articles also mentioned that TPTB toyed with the idea of getting Picard and Troi together since the former sought the latter's advice many times.
I've always been intregued by that pairing, I think it could've been really interesting if properly (and maturely!) executed. Kind of along the lines of this fanfiction series: http://zakhad.com/fic/archives/?c=Captain-and-Counselor (sorry, I can't remember the proper HTMLcode for some reason and am too lazy to search for it).
Maybe I haven't been imagining things all along then, since I always felt there were certain Picard/Troi scenes with some subtext to them (for instance their scene in Family)
I read in biography of Patrick Stewart that Michael Piller, the show's associate executive producer, inquired about marrying Picard to Vash to provide some new story dynamics. The studio executives killed the idea of marrying off the captain. The shipboard marriage idea survived in the fourth season episode "Data's Day" where Miles O'Brien married Keiko Ishikawa. After nearly a decade of writing fanfiction with the Picard/Vash pairing, I can tell you that those studio executives missed a golden opportunity. I have found going where Piller wanted to go and Berman didn't to be very easy not to mention a lot of fun. Vash's character fits in easily with the crew as a civilian scientist. The fact that Vash is a civilian and not one of Picard's officers eliminates so many pitfalls and opens up a great many possibilities. I write her as, to paraphrase a line slightly, a Doctor of Archaeology, expert on the Gamma Quadrant, obtainer of rare antiquities.
Lori has written an excellent fan fiction series. (Check out the Author's notes on her story Who's Standing Tomorrow
)Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
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And I think a simple answer is, if Picard and Crusher went the distance or married, then that would be a resolution to the tension. It is the tension that makes it a compelling question and possibility. Once you play that card, it's lost. And besides, Alexander was already on the way early in the series.
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