I Changed My Mind! I Want Shatner as Kirk In Star Trek XI!

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Samuel T. Cogley, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, yeah, I know. All you Shatner haters get ready to reply with great sarcasm and vitriol.

    I watch "Boston Legal" every week, and the "balcony scene" at the end of each episode is often the most touching, poignant, and human scene I will see on television that week. Spader and Shatner's relationship cannot be defined, and is all the more charming because it defies conventional boundaries between male friends.

    After last week's episode, I couldn't help but think, as great as Denny Crane and Alan Shore's friendship is, Kirk and Spock's is all the more rich.

    Here's what I want to see. (And I don't for a second expect it to happen, but it would be fun.)

    The movie starts with Old Spock, sitting ALONE in whatever the Star Trek equivalent of Denny Crane's balcony is. He is narrating to himself (or a recorder, or whatever maximizes the loneliness factor of the scene) about the good ol' days of Starfleet when they were younger. (This should not be sentimental from Spock's perspective, but it should have that effect on the audience.)

    Next, whatever plot device that brings the story into the past should occur. If any of the time-traveling plot leaks that we have seen so far are in any way accurate, even better. Events should occur in a way that makes it unclear what final "reality" we are left with. The young cast story should wrap up neatly with a bow.

    Then, in the final moments of the film, we pan back into Spock's balcony as he finishes his narration.


    SPOCK: "And the future of both Starfleet and the Federation took much of their eventual shape from these humble beginnings."

    OFF-SCREEN VOICE-OVER: "It was fun, wasn't it?"

    PAN OVER to reveal Shatner as Kirk, sitting next to Spock in relaxed civilian garb and holding a glass of some kind of alcohol (minus the cigar, too Denny Crane).

    SPOCK: "It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

    KIRK (pensive): "Almost makes you want to relive those moments all over again."

    SPOCK: "Indeed."

    KIRK smiles at SPOCK.

    SPOCK raises an eyebrow.

    KIRK laughs softly and raises his glass to SPOCK.

    The camera pulls back into a crane shot (no pun intended ;) ), revealing two older men comfortable in their "retirement," still relevant but no longer a part of the "action" that we will see in sequels to Trek XI.

    FADE TO BLACK

    ROLL CREDITS

    There will be absolutely no explanation as to how or why Kirk is back. He's just there.

    My intention is not to bring Kirk back to life to "undo" his shitty death. Nor is it to have him participate in future Trek sequels. I don't need to see that.

    I just think it would be a nice sentimental moment to finish off one of the greatest pop-culture friendships of all time.

    Thoughts?

    Be nice.

    I'm feeling all emotional and vulnerable right now...
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Who's on top?

    It sounds fine, with the stipulation that - as you say - no screen time is wasted on the how or why.
     
  3. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Well, if I've already won you over, [whatever your name is today], then my work here is done. :lol:
     
  4. Franklin

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    Actually, it's not bad. A bit of a valentine and maybe too "Boston Legal", though.

    I would hope that somewhere in the movie old Spock does get a chance to show some feelings (yes, show some feelings) for never having had a chance to save Kirk or say good-bye to him. Maybe in a way, a scene like the one you create where Kirk isn't there but Spock imagines his response.

    Somehow though, I have my doubts Abrams will let the movie get that sentimental.
     
  5. Outpost4

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    This is for an episode of Friends, right?
     
  6. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Oh, my position on ShatnerKirk is - unlike my user name - always the same. It's this: I Don't Care.

    If he's in the movie and it's good, fine.
    If he's in the movie and it sucks, that's bad.
    If he's not in the movie...so what?

    I'm indifferent to the Shat except in the only respect that anyone who's not his best buddy or his relative or his accountant should be: his entertainment value.

    It's his obsessive fans that make me ill. You know, the "There shall be no peace until ShatnerKirk lives!" crowd.

    Your little scenario sounds sweet and entertaining. That works for me. :cool:
     
  7. Dale

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    That'd be a real charmer, Sam. But I hope they don't do it.
     
  8. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, I overplayed the "Boston Legal" elements in my example just for clarity.

    It could be a totally different scene, with totally different elements.

    I just wanted to capture the idea of these two friends, still together after all they've all been through.

    The idea of Spock alone in the movie suddenly struck me as a little sad or tragic, and that's not a note I would want to end the movie on. The above version would make me more excited to dive back into "the original adventures" all over again.
     
  9. RAMA

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    Re: I Changed My Mind! I Want Shatner as Kirk In Star Trek

    No

    No

    No
     
  10. Brutal Strudel

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    Indeed. :vulcan:
     
  11. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Re: I Changed My Mind! I Want Shatner as Kirk In Star Trek

    I thank you for your well thought-out and insightful contribution to the topic.

    You have made me rethink my opinion on everything.

    I'm so ashamed. :o
     
  12. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I like it because it doesn't interfere with the rest of the movie. And it doesn't require any convoluted exposition. It just is what it is. Interpret it however you like.

    The non-fans will either just ignore it, or assume that an always-alive Kirk had dropped by to visit his old pal, Spock.

    They would be oblivious -- as they should be -- to everything that has gone on for the last 40 years.

    It would also send a message to the fans. Kirk's alive again. But we're done with him. This is his (and Old Spock's) bookend. We aren't going to see him again. You are going to be spending time with the new guys from now on.
     
  13. Outpost4

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    I thought you were serious about this with the first post. Now it's painfully obvious.

    I don't think so. It's way too schmaltzy for my taste. We might as well have them going over an old photo album, a tear dropping into Kirk's drink.

    Plus let me invoke DNC - Double Negative Canon. It would be redoing the mistake of These Are The Voyages. You've done this whole 2 hours on the adventures of the new crew and you end it with Shatner pulling on our heartstrings? If I was New Kirk (wasn't he on Hogan's Heroes?), I'd be pissed.
     
  14. StarMan

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    Re: I Changed My Mind! I Want Shatner as Kirk In Star Trek

    I dig that.
     
  15. Samuel T. Cogley

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    I am serious.

    And Trek -- even Trek at its best -- can be very schmaltzy.

    "You have been and always will be... my friend."

    "Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."

    "Jim. Your name is Jim."

    "What you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live."

    "Please Captain, not in front of the Klingons."

    Plenty of schmaltzy moments. There are plenty of precedents.
     
  16. T'Cal

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    You're dead, Jim!
     
  17. Admiral James Kirk

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    I like it Sam. That ending would certainly cause me to line this movie on the shelf taking the place of Generations. I don't even keep the TNG movies on the shelf anymore since I no longer accept any Trek but Classic Trek. This will further help me forget all the damage that 24th Century garbage has done to real Star Trek's good name.
     
  18. The Doctor

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    Re: I Changed My Mind! I Want Shatner as Kirk In Star Trek

    I don't think the movie needs Shatner-as-Kirk, but given the right circumstances, it probably couldn't hurt. As for his 'death' in the continuity, I couldn't give a toss.

    If it works for the story, stick that fucker in there.

    That's my motto, anyhow. :D
     
  19. Brutal Strudel

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    I don't think it needs Nimoy-as-Spock. But if you have to have the one...
     
  20. Dale

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    Real Star Trek... :rolleyes: