i am you and you are me and we are all together

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Meadowmorph, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. Meadowmorph

    Meadowmorph Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Patterns fascinate me. I've noticed a common, yet exclusive type of species that can be described as totally communal in that "the one is the all" type of specie running through the Trek universe. The first one we meet in TNG are Q. They do recognize the individual, but consider themselves the one: They are all Q.

    Another species of note are (is?) The Great Link. They only become individual if and when they can take on the form of another creature. Yes, they might be individuals, but they most desire to be immersed together as one in the Great Link. Both of the above have developed through the process of nature.

    And then come...(DUM DUM DAHHHHH!) The Borg. I imagine the Borg being a very successful mistake of science...someone's science project gone wrong. I'd like to know more about their origin. One is not born Borg, they are violently assimilated. They reproduce by destruction of other's individuality to create the One Mind. They are not a natural evolution as seen by the addition of cybernetic implants and microscopic devices called nanoprobes. They, more or less, have been created by lesser-beings, not nature (or God, if you will). Their search for perfection is simply because they lack it. The only way they learn is by assimilation of knowledge. Because creativity is the genius of the individual mind, this eludes Borg. Because the Borg mind destroys genius, they will never find perfection. (besides, perfection is boring)

    Because my experience in the StarTrek world is greatly through watching the television series(es?). Yes, I've seen some films. I was there when the first film was released...so excited (for the first 15 minutes). The question I have for this forum is, do any of the films introduce any other "one in all and all in one" species?
     
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  2. Sarxus

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    You mention some interesting points here, I think I never looked at it that way.

    As for the movies, I think no, none of them really deals with that subject. Star Trek VIII however features the Borg in an important role and adds some background to them.

    And seeing that you're interested in that subject, I strongly recommend you the TNG episode "The Chase" from season 6 in case you haven't seen it yet. From what I heard it's a kinda controversial episode regarding the outcome of the plot and its meaning for the Star Trek universe. I personally find that episode and its meaning very beautiful and without wanting to give away too much, it should also shed some light on this topic :)
     
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  4. Meadowmorph

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    Thanks, I will for sure look into these and let you know what I think
     
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    I recall reading....somewhere....a theory that 'reality', as we know it, is the result of a single being (God?) existing in severe or absolute isolation and the thinking processes or personality undergoing extreme fragmenting as a result. The theory went on that we are all parts of the being trying to reassemble itself. The theory added that there was no actual difference between you or I or Charles Manson or a leaf or a plasma conduit.

    :shrug:

    Makes for a bit of interesting sci-fi, at the very least....
     
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    Correction: the first one we meet is the United Federation of Planets. ;)
     
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    They all employ the identifyer of "Q." But they are very obviously individuals.
     
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    In the book "Greater than the sum" this subject is dealt with.
    It's a good read and worth your time if you like the "collective being" theme.
     
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    I have a shirt that has a Star Trek version of the Beatles Abbey Road album cover. It has Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty as the Beatles. Scotty is in bare feet. Scotty is Paul.
     
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  20. Meadowmorph

    Meadowmorph Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I was thinking about that today! Actually, I was watching the TNG episode "The Vengence Factor". I thought it was odd when Riker was speaking to Ytah (the cook, food taster to The Sovereign). He corrected her when she called him "Commander"and told her his name was William. It was very odd. "You say 'Commander' like you say 'Sovereign". Then he said something to the idea that he sees everyone as equal. Bollocks! LOL. That's laughable. I could see some crewman come up to him, calling him "Will" instead of "Commander". I know it's all the writers' fault, but Star Fleet is a hierarchical command structured, quasi-military organization. I could see Riker saying "Sovereign Picard" before I could see him saying "Jean Luc". Everyone on that ship are servants to the Captain, and Jean Luc is the supreme servant to his ship. It's one of those "oh, come on! really???" moments.

    But a hierarchical command structure is not all-in-one, one-is-all type of creature I was trying to explain. ALL humans are born individuals. They make their own choices as they are allowed. If one individual decides to join Star Fleet, they remain in Star Fleet until they decide (or are asked) to leave.

    I do say, I was just today thinking about the same thing you mentioned. We are all connected, but we are not one mind. no matter how fractious Q are (is?) or how splashy the great link, they share a mind. When we say "we are of one mind", we are simply saying that we agree on a subject.

    The Q began as one thing and the writers developed it into something else...more like humans, more individual. What do we think about the Betazoid? Do they share a mind or are they individual minds who just can't seem to keep their thoughts to themselves? =D