IMO potentially they could have been more of a threat than the Dominion or, dare I say it, the Borg.
How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federation?
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Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
Before or after Voyager returned with temporal shielding?
Before or after Voyager returned with temporal shielding?
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
Temporal shielding is bad.
Temporal shielding assures loneliness.
Unless you temporally shield everyone and everything you care for, it's all going to vanish every time the universe burps.
This is why the Federation has to build starbases (timebases?) outside of time where intergalactic acid reflux can't reach them.
Temporal shielding is bad.
Temporal shielding assures loneliness.
Unless you temporally shield everyone and everything you care for, it's all going to vanish every time the universe burps.
This is why the Federation has to build starbases (timebases?) outside of time where intergalactic acid reflux can't reach them.
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
What would be the difference of one timeship or hundreds or a thousand? They would all do the same thing.
What would be the difference of one timeship or hundreds or a thousand? They would all do the same thing.
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
Considering the calculations used just to use one, I doubt anyone would even consider fielding a fleet. They'd have to calculate on what all the othee ships are doing at all times and relative times in order to use there primary weapons for the glory of keeping the Kremim Imperium at full strength.
Considering the calculations used just to use one, I doubt anyone would even consider fielding a fleet. They'd have to calculate on what all the othee ships are doing at all times and relative times in order to use there primary weapons for the glory of keeping the Kremim Imperium at full strength.
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
Well considering how universe saving heroes came from Earth and other major Fed planets, if the Krenim erased the Federation from time, the universe would cease to exist. So the Krenim would have been better off leaving the Federation alone.
Well considering how universe saving heroes came from Earth and other major Fed planets, if the Krenim erased the Federation from time, the universe would cease to exist. So the Krenim would have been better off leaving the Federation alone.
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Department of temporal investigations (or whatever they're called) would step in if the Federation was under threat from changes in the time line. They just send back a ship that can defeat them or allow current Starfleet ships to defeat them
Imagine a big bloke with muscles and Kung fu (he's Starfleet) then imagine a skinny, suspicious looking dude with a twirly moustache peeking out from behind him (that's Section 31)
Federation owns time shit.
We win.
Department of temporal investigations (or whatever they're called) would step in if the Federation was under threat from changes in the time line. They just send back a ship that can defeat them or allow current Starfleet ships to defeat them
Imagine a big bloke with muscles and Kung fu (he's Starfleet) then imagine a skinny, suspicious looking dude with a twirly moustache peeking out from behind him (that's Section 31)
Federation owns time shit.
We win.
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
I really don't think that the future versions of the Federation, who we have met, owns time, but what they do do is so negligible that the mightier temporal powers just let them muddle on because they're mostly harmless.
I really don't think that the future versions of the Federation, who we have met, owns time, but what they do do is so negligible that the mightier temporal powers just let them muddle on because they're mostly harmless.
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
I'm talking about the Section 31 temporal unit
37th century Section 31 go back in time to ensure 24th century Section 31 are kept in power
75th century Section 31 go back in time to ensure 37th century Section 31 are kept in power
It's like Bill and Ted (but funnier)
I'm talking about the Section 31 temporal unit
37th century Section 31 go back in time to ensure 24th century Section 31 are kept in power
75th century Section 31 go back in time to ensure 37th century Section 31 are kept in power
It's like Bill and Ted (but funnier)
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
It's about who has the high ground.
Section 31 would have to have stealth time travel to get away with being clandestine after the temporal accords are put in place.
It's about who has the high ground.
Section 31 would have to have stealth time travel to get away with being clandestine after the temporal accords are put in place.
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
Not everyone signed up to the temporal accords though so you've still got a problem that needs solving and if we've learnt anything about Starfleet, we've learnt that they're willing to ignore what Section 31 get up to (if it's beneficial)
My theory is, Section 31 have a strong presence in time travel politics and as long as the they and Starfleet and (perhaps to a lesser extent) the Federation are strong, they are the ones who tolerate the negligible, temporal shenanigans of others
I'm even leaning towards the idea that people like Sloan are specifically recruited from the future to deal with past problems (such as the Dominion). A good agent has no family, no ties etc but Sloan did.....unless.....he doesn't actually exist in that time and neither does his family
Not everyone signed up to the temporal accords though so you've still got a problem that needs solving and if we've learnt anything about Starfleet, we've learnt that they're willing to ignore what Section 31 get up to (if it's beneficial)
My theory is, Section 31 have a strong presence in time travel politics and as long as the they and Starfleet and (perhaps to a lesser extent) the Federation are strong, they are the ones who tolerate the negligible, temporal shenanigans of others
I'm even leaning towards the idea that people like Sloan are specifically recruited from the future to deal with past problems (such as the Dominion). A good agent has no family, no ties etc but Sloan did.....unless.....he doesn't actually exist in that time and neither does his family
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Section 31 is only allowed to exist as long as it is effective, invisible and unembarrassing.
Section 31 is only allowed to exist as long as it is effective, invisible and unembarrassing.
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There's no indication that Section 31 possesses time travel technology. They'd wreak unimaginable havoc if they did.
(The Department of Temporal Investigations, indeed, has probably got a spy within Section 31 just to prevent that very thing.
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There's no indication that Section 31 possesses time travel technology. They'd wreak unimaginable havoc if they did.
(The Department of Temporal Investigations, indeed, has probably got a spy within Section 31 just to prevent that very thing.
)
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Doesn't Sloane meet all those criteria (especially if he was always destined to die in the past) no records, no family, no nothing
It always struck me as odd that this organisation has been successfully invisible for so many centuries then suddenly they're involved in tons of crap with Bashir. Either Sloan is the worst operative they've ever had or the entire thing was laid out from the start to go exactly as it did
That would suggest that they have the power to undermine their activities but don't which in turn would suggest they generally condone their actions (in which case why bother to spy on them at all)
Surely it makes more sense the other way around. Department of temporal investigations have Section 31 spies amongst them (or more likely Department of temporal investigations are nothing more than puppets entirely controlled by Section 31)
Doesn't Sloane meet all those criteria (especially if he was always destined to die in the past) no records, no family, no nothing
It always struck me as odd that this organisation has been successfully invisible for so many centuries then suddenly they're involved in tons of crap with Bashir. Either Sloan is the worst operative they've ever had or the entire thing was laid out from the start to go exactly as it did
(The Department of Temporal Investigations, indeed, has probably got a spy within Section 31 just to prevent that very thing.
That would suggest that they have the power to undermine their activities but don't which in turn would suggest they generally condone their actions (in which case why bother to spy on them at all)
Surely it makes more sense the other way around. Department of temporal investigations have Section 31 spies amongst them (or more likely Department of temporal investigations are nothing more than puppets entirely controlled by Section 31)
Re: How would a Krenim timeship fleet have fared against the federatio
Hux was talking about an older, grumpier Section 31 that lives in the future when Time travel technology is a lot easier to come by.
Even if it doesn't call itself Section 31, every version of the Federation in the future or the past had it's own Section 31 making the hard starchamber choices illegally that the actual Federation was too wussified to get behind.
There's no indication that Section 31 possesses time travel technology. They'd wreak unimaginable havoc if they did.
(The Department of Temporal Investigations, indeed, has probably got a spy within Section 31 just to prevent that very thing.
Hux was talking about an older, grumpier Section 31 that lives in the future when Time travel technology is a lot easier to come by.
Even if it doesn't call itself Section 31, every version of the Federation in the future or the past had it's own Section 31 making the hard starchamber choices illegally that the actual Federation was too wussified to get behind.
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