How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be released?

[Candlelight]

1. Lost in Time Vol 2

Can't see this happening, only for 2 eps. Then again this is apparently what 2Entertain is after.

2. Release with another story

Hartnell has the Sensorites and Planet of Giants. Troughton has the Krotons. Neither seem like decent candidates (wrong seasons for a start).

3. Release with an incomplete story

This is my pick. Shove G43 on The Tenth Planet and TUM2 on The Ice Warriors. If both those stories had animations to restore the missing episodes from those stories they would be pretty good releases. Maybe even do a both set featuring both.

 

[28VulcansLater]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

My preferred option would be to release the two recovered episodes with the existing episode of The Underwater Menace. There have been plenty of Sylvester McCoy stories that have been three episodes in length that have seen an individual release. It could include retrospective documentaries for each story and few odds and ends as extras. I think I read in Doctor Who magazine that test footage of the first regeneration was found a year or so ago that has yet to be released. Perhaps that could be included as well.

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

Of course, if they wanted to release one DVD of these two episodes on it, I could see them doing that. There are Peter Davison stories that are only two parts (The King's Demons and The Awakening) that had single releases, so there is a precedent of a DVD with only 45-50 minutes of main content plus whatever for extras.

 

[Sindatur]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

I am very confused about Lost In Time Volume 2. According to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_DVD_and_Blu-ray_releases

The hartnell recovered episodes (Crusade, Dalek's Master Plan and Celestial Toymaker) were released on Volume 1 in November 2004, and 12 Troughton were released in November 2004 on Lost in Time Volume 2:
The Underwater Menace episode 3 of 4)
The Moonbase (episodes 2 & 4 of 4; soundtracks of 1 & 3)
The Faceless Ones (episodes 1 & 3 of 6)
The Evil of the Daleks (episode 2 of 7)
The Abominable Snowmen (episode 2 of 6)
The Enemy of the World (episode 3 of 6)
The Web of Fear (episode 1 of 6)
The Wheel in Space (episodes 3 & 6 of 6)
The Space Pirates (episode 2 of 6)
(Also includes surviving clips from The Power of the Daleks, The Highlanders,
The Macra Terror and Fury from the Deep)

So, wouldn't a new release be Lost in Time Volume 3? Since they're following up on leads on at elast 1 more episode, I would think they might wait and see how that pans out before they make a decision on how to handle release of these two

 

[28VulcansLater]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

I am very confused about Lost In Time Volume 2. According to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_DVD_and_Blu-ray_releases

The hartnell recovered episodes (Crusade, Dalek's Master Plan and Celestial Toymaker) were released on Volume 1 in November 2004, and 12 Troughton were released in November 2004 on Lost in Time Volume 2:
The Underwater Menace episode 3 of 4)
The Moonbase (episodes 2 & 4 of 4; soundtracks of 1 & 3)
The Faceless Ones (episodes 1 & 3 of 6)
The Evil of the Daleks (episode 2 of 7)
The Abominable Snowmen (episode 2 of 6)
The Enemy of the World (episode 3 of 6)
The Web of Fear (episode 1 of 6)
The Wheel in Space (episodes 3 & 6 of 6)
The Space Pirates (episode 2 of 6)
(Also includes surviving clips from The Power of the Daleks, The Highlanders,
The Macra Terror and Fury from the Deep)

So, wouldn't a new release be Lost in Time Volume 3? Since they're following up on leads on at elast 1 more episode, I would think they might wait and see how that pans out before they make a decision on how to handle release of these two

In the UK the Lost in Time box set was released as one volume.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

Included in an expanded Lost In Time "Revisitations" re-release, since I haven't got the original release...

 

[OmahaStar]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

I am very confused about Lost In Time Volume 2.

So, wouldn't a new release be Lost in Time Volume 3? Since they're following up on leads on at elast 1 more episode, I would think they might wait and see how that pans out before they make a decision on how to handle release of these two

Yes and no. In the US, the Hartnell is Volume 1, Troughton Volume 2 ... In the UK, it was released as one box set, no "volume x" given.

 

[Candlelight]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

Included in an expanded Lost In Time "Revisitations" re-release, since I haven't got the original release...

That's not a bad idea. The recovered Power clips that featured on the Genesis of the Daleks DVD could be added too.

 

[23skidoo]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

In North America "Vol. 1" and "Vol. 2" were also released as a single set. Apparently the individual Hartnell and Troughton "volumes" were also released separately but I've never seen them (sort of like how the Key to Time Special Edition stories were supposed to be released separately but weren't, and you still can't buy Terror of the Vervoids on its own over here either).

So when people say Vol. 2, they mean as far as the UK goes.

I voted for Lost in Time Vol. 2 because I found the first set fascinating to watch and there's opportunity to include updated content on the search for missing episodes and the restoration/animation efforts. My second choice would be to add them as bonuses on either the Shada/Thirty Years in the TARDIS DVD or The Reign of Terror. My third choice is a reissue of the original Lost in Time with the new episodes added. Fourth choice would be inclusion in one of the Revisitations box sets as value-added content. My fifth choice would be animate the missing episodes and release them that way (only listed so far down the list because there are a dozen other stories I'd give priority to for animation before we got to these two).

Alex

 

[Christopher]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

As I understand it, they have reconstructed audio of all the missing episodes, right? So maybe they should do a release of "Underwater Menace" that's like what they did with The Crusade and The Moonbase on the "Lost in Time" set(s) -- include the complete recovered episodes along with the audio tracks of the other two.

Or better yet, release a set of all three of those "half-finished" serials and instead of just having the audio like on the LiT set, supplement them with still images and text summaries, and the bits of surviving footage where possible. It would make those episodes much easier to follow and be a more satisfying experience.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

The reason I say a Lost In Time Revisitation is it'd be be a bit of a ripoff to do a separate release with just two episodes...

 

[diankra]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

The reason I say a Lost In Time Revisitation is it'd be be a bit of a ripoff to do a separate release with just two episodes...

Even more of a rip-off to do a re-release of Lost in Time with two added episodes, but charge people who've got the original the going rate for (pulls Lost in Time off shelf to check) 20 episodes, 18 of which they already have.

Being realistic, 2Entertain/BBC will want to put the two recovered episodes out as fast as possible, partly because they know the fans want to see them NOW, but mainly because they know that if the fans have to wait six months to see them the episodes will leak, and impatient fans will watch the pirate copies.

So...
Option 1) Add them to the first releases of 2012. Not possible - the discs will already have been mastered, and check discs produced - recalling them will cost money and delay the releases for at least a month.
Option 2) Add them to relevant releases for later in 2012. Not going to happen, as it means waiting too long and risking piracy.
Option 3) A basic release of the recovered episodes as soon as possible once the restoration team have finished working on the prints, adding in Underwater Menace 3. Add in any extras which can be arranged quickly: commentaries with Maureen O'Brien, Derek Martinus and Peter Purves for Galaxy 4, and Anneke Wills, Frasier Hines and... ah, Colin Jeavons is still alive, I think, for Underwater Menace, assuming they're available at short notice. Plus any Hartnell/Troughton/missing episodes-related extras which were already in the works for other releases. And the clean (un-narrated) soundtracks for the rest of the two stories(the CDs only have the narrated versions).
There's a limit to how fast a DVD can come out (due to BBFC clearing - trust me, I know that from clearing magazine covermounts!)). But I'd reckon that if they're starting from now (and 2Entertain probably knew about the recovery a while back) a basic 'Lost Episodes' DVD could be out sometime between March and May.

 

[OmahaStar]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

In North America "Vol. 1" and "Vol. 2" were also released as a single set. Apparently the individual Hartnell and Troughton "volumes" were also released separately but I've never seen them (sort of like how the Key to Time Special Edition stories were supposed to be released separately but weren't, and you still can't buy Terror of the Vervoids on its own over here either).

So when people say Vol. 2, they mean as far as the UK goes.

Alex, dude, so much wrong with that post. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. A quick search on Amazon, or google, or dvdpricesearch.com would have shown you that yes, they two volumes of Lost in Time DO exist independent of each other (as well as the box set) ... Each story from Key to Time WAS released individually, both the normal edition AND the special edition, not just the big box set.

And what does Terror of the Vervoids have to do with the rest of your post? None of the stories from the Trial of a Time Lord were released individually in the US. The season came out as a box set.

You feeling ok?

 

[Candlelight]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

2Entertain/BBC will want to put the two recovered episodes out as fast as possible, partly because they know the fans want to see them NOW, but mainly because they know that if the fans have to wait six months to see them the episodes will leak, and impatient fans will watch the pirate copies.

Who at the BBC would want to risk their jobs to leak copies of two missing episodes? No one I know who works there.

2Entertain want them out fast yes but I'm sure some areas of the BBC would want the eps released with other tougher sells (like partially complete stories).

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

If they're doing a release of the incomplete Reign Of Terror, actually, that'd be a good choice to stick them on.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

The reason I say a Lost In Time Revisitation is it'd be be a bit of a ripoff to do a separate release with just two episodes...

Even more of a rip-off to do a re-release of Lost in Time with two added episodes, but charge people who've got the original the going rate for (pulls Lost in Time off shelf to check) 20 episodes, 18 of which they already have.

I'm being selfish here.

And it'd be marginally better for a revisitation to actually have some new episodes....

 

[Saga]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

If they're doing a release of the incomplete Reign Of Terror, actually, that'd be a good choice to stick them on.

agreed.

 

[klingonmaquis]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

I'd be for them releasing Underwater Menace with animated versions for the missing chapters. As for Galaxy 4, A Lost In Time set, a revisitation kind of deal would be good for it. I mean there is a bit more of Galaxy 4 out there as least part of another episode of it.
But I want them to clean up the two episodes as much as possible by the restoration team. Heaven knows how work will have to go into fixing them.

 

[diankra]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

If they're doing a release of the incomplete Reign Of Terror, actually, that'd be a good choice to stick them on.

agreed.

The Reign of Terror is already in the pipeline, with the two missing episodes animated. Can't see 2Entertain wanting to put more 'added value' on that one when it'll have already cost quite a bit as it is.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: How should Galaxy 4 Pt 3 and The Underwater Menace Pt 2 be release

Somebody just said on Facebook they should put them on the Legacy set, which I'd never heard of, but a bit of Googling shows it's Shada and 30 Years In The TARDIS, so, yeah, that'd be a good choice as well.