How "out of time" would someone from the VOY/DS9/TNG era feel in the ENT era (or vice versa)?

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  1. at Quark's

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    We know Starfleet folks from the VOY /DS9/ TNG era (or at least the senior ENT-D crew) don't seem to think too highly of our era which culminated in WW3, though Picard conceded that 'even back then we had started to make rapid progress' (slightly paraphrased). The 'good stuff' really only seems to start to happen with Cochrane.

    But what about ENT's time? Suppose Q decided to have a good laugh and decided to drop a few VOY/DS9/TNG crew members smack in the middle of the 22nd century, with no way to get back. How much of a hard time would they have adapting? Would they feel that Earth's Starfleet is still "their" Starfleet knowing that it will become it in the future? Would they essentially feel at home with the way things are done, with the political landscape of the 22nd century, with the idea(l)s living in 22nd century society, or would it still be "a less civilized time" and fundamentally alien to them? How easy or hard would it be for them to find fitting jobs, learning to deal with 22nd century technology and mindsets?

    Same question other way around. How would characters like Tucker or Archer feel about all these things if they were dropped in the late 24th century?
     
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    TNG Person: Wow, it's gonna be weird here in the 2150's. No Ferengi….

    ENT Person: Well, actually we've met them.

    TNG: Oh. Well, at keast there aren't any Borg, thank the..

    ENT: Them too, actually.

    TNG: Wait, what? Geez, wish I could spend some time on a holodeck.

    ENT: Oh, yeah, we met some aliens that have those!

    TNG: Guess this won't be too different after all...
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    TNG era people would probably be scandalized to hear ENT era folks saying things like "ass" and by their laid back attitude. ENT era folk in the TNG era would probably wonder why everyone has a stick up their ass, and upon meeting a Vulcan Starfleet admiral would immediately come to the conclusion that in the next 200 years humanity becomes completely dominated by the Vulcans.
     
  4. Jedi Marso

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    It would just take longer to get places.
     
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  5. Paul755

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    It all depends on the person.

    Look at the borderline contempt Riker has for humans from the 20th century in S1: The Netural Zone. But later on in the series and in First Contact he seems ok.

    In Trials and Tribbleations. Sisko and Dax were cool on the Enterprise, although she had been around in that era but Bashier and O’Brien had issues.

    For the reverse, I think they’d just be blown away by the progress The Federation had made.
     
  6. JonnyQuest037

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    Very comfortable, since they barely tried to differentiate ENT from the 24th Century shows they'd been making for the last 14 years.
     
  7. Lord Garth

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    The 22nd Century always felt more to me like "The 24th Century Meets the Bush Era" if that makes any sense. Archer and Trip remind me of Bush. Trip looks like Bush and Archer seems like Bush as Captain of a Starship. W could also give the Gazelle Speech. I could just picture it. Then there's T'Pol, the Northerner (like me) making observations about Trip and Archer who are from the South.

    Afterwards, the Xindi attack Earth and that's an analog for 9/11. Obviously.

    Then there's Earth's relation to other planets. Vulcan, Andor, and Taler are like various European Countries to Earth's America, the Klingons were probably the Near-East, and the Suliban were named after the Taliban.

    If anyone from TNG/DS9/VOY ended up in the 22nd Century, they'd have to get use to Earth not being Top Dog anymore. And anyone who's not from Earth and is visiting Earth would have to get used to being possibly discriminated against. Phlox didn't seem to receive a very warm welcome in the fourth season. Mostly because of xenophobia after what happened with the Xindi.

    So, it's not as much the same as people are making out. Not to say that B&B couldn't shake the 24th Century they were so used to out of their systems but the truth was in the middle.
     
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    Yep. Between ENT and DSC, all Next Gen-era tech has been retconned into the past of Trek. Fish out of water stories would only work if they jumped to our present.
     
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    Tom Paris would fit right in. Each mission would engage his enthusiasm. He'd probably crank out more mileage from each shuttlepod, too...
     
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  10. The Wormhole

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    Thank-you!

    I remember making that comparison in the ENT forum back when the show was on the air, complete with an insinuation that the Gazelle Speech sounded like a Bush Speech. I did not get favorable replies.
     
  11. Discofan

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    TNG: Well, you don't have people that grow nipples on their arms do you?

    ENT: Yeah, we do.

    TNG: How about zombie Vulcans? You don't have those!

    ENT: As a matter of fact...

    TNG: What?!? I just made that one up! How about people that can inflate their faces like a blowfish!

    ENT: sure.

    TNG: I hate you!
     
  12. at Quark's

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    I was always under the impression that Enterprise was supposed to be like that. Well, I don't mean that particular blend between the Bush era and the 24th century, but to show that in this era, humanity had made some significant progress, but wasn't quite 'there' yet. So for example a prosperous earth, but still with some prejudice about aliens and such being around.

    Interesting idea, I never pictured the Andorians and Tellarites as European countries (living in one myself), though I did at some occasions identify the Vulcans with the British :)

    Given how our 24th century Trek heroes talk about our time, I'm getting the feeling they have so many fundamentally different attitudes about most things, that even if they were stranded for the rest of their lives in our time and had to go integrate in some respect, they would essentially always remain foreigners in our world. But, could they feel at home in the 22nd century ?
     
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  13. Discofan

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    You have a point. They both drink tea instead of coffee.
     
  14. Lord Garth

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    Yup. It was a show made for its time, the early-'00s, and the setting having Humans be at the point they were right before the founding of the Federation happened to fit being a show made for its time, perfectly. Unfortunately, because of this, I also decided that's part of why ENT wasn't for me (besides being tired of B&B at the time). I like having the Federation established. But if you want to see Earth pre-Federation, this is what it would be.

    I didn't like the idea of Vulcan making themselves overseers but given how volatile Human History was (like right now for instance!) and how they only just achieved warp drive, I can see why Vulcan would want to take Earth under its thumb while they were still controllable and before they could become a threat.

    I figured if the Federation is the American stand-in for the other series, then Earth must be the stand-in for America in ENT, and all the other worlds become something else in the analogy. There's some 1700s in ENT too. So Earth could also be a colony looking to be more independent from Vulcan. Except, later on, instead of having a war with Vulcan, they end up having a war with their cousins: the Romulans. So the 1700s analogy isn't perfect or as strong as the 2000s one, but it's there.
     
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    Someone from the TNG era fitting into the ENT era: They might be bummed about being seperated from loved ones and friends. The rest depends on how and where they arrived and how ethical they are.

    If they arrived by Crewman Daniels (or some similar agency) popping just them into Archer's quarters with a note that says "This person from the 24th century will be helpful", then they're probably gonna have a bad time, since they would lack access to the tech they're used to, and would have no choice but to either wreck the future they came from or to go silent and refuse to cooperate in any way to protect the future people and places they care about.

    If they arrived with their whole ship, then they'd either start kicking major ass (militarily, economically, or technologically) and wrecking their original timeline (which might be a lot of fun), or, they'd find themselves either tucking themselves away "in some quiet corner of North America" to avoid interfering, or heading out to some never charted area of space to explore with no support to get out of the way of history, or, making careful contact with select Vulcans to become yet another secret the Vulcans kept from everyone to keep from disrupting history - all of which sounds pretty crappy.

    If they arrived with a ship and without anyone knowing they were there and from the future, then there might be a lot of fun and adventure that could be had without really disrupting history - or by wildly disrupting it. But the tech would probably always seem a little primitive, unless you were some sort of genius MacGyver type like Scotty who could build a slipstream drive from a couple of coconuts. ;)

    It occurs to me that, ironically, the most effective way to avoid disrupting the timeline (and possibly, to get home) might be to set out to be *as completely disruptive as possible*, forcing one of the future time agencies to come and stop you. :D

    Someone from the ENT era fitting into the TNG era: Depends on their psychology. They might be too bummed about people they loved and cared about being dead, and never recover. Or they would just retrain and keep moving, like Scotty or Gillian or some of the USS Bozeman crew.
     
  16. Discofan

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    I don't know about that. Quark thought he'd kick some ass in 1950 Earth and ended up getting his ass kicked!:lol:
     
  17. Jedi_Master

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    I think I would feel out of place if I went back in time TWO centuries.
     
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    Gillian Taylor had to adapt to the 23rd century Earth.
    People who travel to the future are tutored by the DTI.
     
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  19. JirinPanthosa

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    I don’t see the Archer/Bush comparison. Archer has a combat record, and told the truth to lead people into war. And he argued against acting based on fear, to draw in and welcome people who looked different than him.

    I saw Enterprise as making an effort to appear folksy and quaint to distinguish itself. I guess that can be compared to Bush’s folksy mannerisms.

    TNG people would be jealous of the comfortable uniforms and the pockets.

    Couldn’t they get back by following Rasmussen around and then waiting for him to steal a time machine?
     
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  20. Lord Garth

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    That's what I meant. I won't touch the other stuff. At the time ENT was first produced 9/11 hadn't happened yet and even after it did, I only watched the first six episodes (and then binged it a decade later), so that was long before Bush publicly decided to head into Iraq. Trip's resolve after the Xindi attack reminds me off the mood of the Bush Era too, immediately after 9/11. So I'm only talking in broad strokes.