How much should Kirk and company make each year?

[fireproof78]

That's factually wrong, a doctor does not train more than an engineer or scientist does to become an expert in their field. They just learn different things.

Not entirely true. Both doctors and counselors have to go through residencies and internships as part of their training, especially medical doctors. They have a longer time investment in become a doctor, require more supervision by their peers, and often have to carry more liability due to the fact that mistakes can result in deaths. Not saying engineers or scientists can't cause that, but medical professionals are considered "high risk" professions in terms of liability.

 

[DonIago]

Wouldn't "mistakes can result in deaths" apply to Starfleet engineers though?

 

[Oddish]

I don't have to make my own pay scale to question yours.

No, but since you can't do better, don't expect me to give much consideration to your opinion.

 

[fireproof78]

Wouldn't "mistakes can result in deaths" apply to Starfleet engineers though?

I noted that as well. But, doctors and other medical professionals usually are doing longer internship, residency and multiple rotations of departments to become fully trained. It's a longer time investment, even if the initial education is the same.

 

[DonIago]

I noted that as well. But, doctors and other medical professionals usually are doing longer internship, residency and multiple rotations of departments to become fully trained. It's a longer time investment, even if the initial education is the same.

I feel as though we may be somewhat speculating as to what level of education a starship engineer requires, but I'm not sure it's ever stated in the show. Of course, neither is the amount of education that doctors receive, IIRC.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel as though we may be somewhat speculating as to what level of education a starship engineer requires, but I'm not sure it's ever stated in the show. Of course, neither is the amount of education that doctors receive, IIRC.

True, and I'm basing it on current models, which thankfully are moving away from grueling internship and residency regiments.

But, currently, the time investment of medical professionals is something a little bit higher than engineers.

 

[NCC-73515]

Non-medical cadets graduate as Ensigns, medical ones graduate as Lt. JG (see Bashir), probably because of additional training. You could compare them like that:
BSc = Ensign
MSc = MD = Lt. JG
PhD = Lt.
Group leader = Lt. Cdr.
Professor = Cdr.
Director = Captain

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

When you're non-commissioned, as McCoy may be, does that make them essentially draftees?

Doctors/surgeons are not, nor have they ever been non-commissioned officers (petty officers and chief petty officers in naval teams). They started out as warrant officers (which sit between NCOs and commissioned officers) and eventually migrated to "staff commissioned officer" status, which arguably has as much in common with the US commissioned chief warrant officer as it does regular commissioned officer status.

Rand was a yeoman which is a noncommissioned officer. In the current U.S. Navy, yeoman start as a E-4 and can advance to E-7. 2024 Pay chart:

Technically, E1s to E3s can also be rated, but I'd certainly agree as far as independent duty rated personnel including yeomen.

Note: From Charlie X, Tina Lawton was Yeoman Third Class, probably an E4.

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YMN3 Lawton is a bit of an odd-duck as while a variety of different grades of enlisted have been mentioned or implied at various points, but she's the only person who has even been given a grade equivalent to Petty Officer Third Class:

ENT: Crewman (no insignia), Crewman Third Class (one stripe), Crewman Second Class (two stripes), Crewman First Class (three stripes, acts as Officer of the Watch). More senior NCO grades may exist.

TOS/M: Crewman (no insignia), Able Crewman (MMs only), Petty Officer Second Class (MMs only), Petty Officer/PO First Class, Chief Petty Officer, Senior Chief Petty Officer (MMs only), Master Chief Petty Officer (MMs only).

TNG: Crewman (no insignia), Crewman First Class (no insignia on 2360s uniform, may wear a single chevron on 2370s+ uniforms), Petty Officer (might wear a single black pip on the 2360s uniforms, may wear two or three chevrons on 2370s+ uniforms depending on seniority), Chief Petty Officer (single black pip on the the 2360s uniforms, may wear three chevrons and a pip on 2370s+ uniforms), Senior Chief Petty Officer (single black pip on the the 2360s uniforms, may wear three chevrons and two pips on 2370s+ uniforms), Master Chief Petty Officer (single black pip on the the 2360s uniforms, may wear three chevrons and two pips on 2370s+ uniforms).

Rand may have been a E-6 since she serves on the staff of a general officer (i.e. Captain of a capital ship).

General or flag officers are generals, admirals and sometimes commodores and brigadiers at O7 and above, commanding officers -- even of capital ships -- are senior officers (allegedly universally O6 in Starfleet, but more plausibly ranging from at least O4 to O6 depending on ship size and mission parameters).

 

[Guy Gardener]

Specifically, if we use today's 2024 American dollars for the key TOS occupations, how much should we pay the Enterprise crew every week or year? I'd be interested in hearing your pay grades for the 23rd century captains, execs, science officers, doctors, chief engineers, nurses, helmspeople, navigators, communications officers, security guards, transporter officers and yeomen. Then you may choose to increase that for the Big Four due to their higher track records. God knows Spock pulls double duty with two intermixed jobs when he's not concentrating on his porn viewer.

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It's a free society.

In American dollars from any era, their net earnings would be no dollars.

 

[Reymet_2]

I'd be interested in hearing your pay grades for the 23rd century captains, execs, science officers, doctors, chief engineers, nurses, helmspeople, navigators, communications officers, security guards, transporter officers and yeomen

When you can replicate almost everything you want, salaries make no sense.

Federation as it is depicted in TOS/TAS is basically communist.

 

[Oddish]

Federation as it is depicted in TOS/TAS is basically communist.

Yes, but it's communism with infinite resources. They have the technology to capture as much of the matter and energy provided by nature to provide generously for every person in existence.

The numbers I gave presume that there is a limited supply of something that people want, and that the Federation's unlimited ability to provide food via replicators, shelter via construction bots, transportation via mass transit, transporters, and ships doesn't provide it.

 

[Shawnster]

Federation as it is depicted in TOS/TAS is basically communist.

Please cite examples. Because I'm not seeing this based exclusively on TOS/TAS.

 

[Kor]

Regarding how much formal education is required for the Chief Engineer of a space-going starship... ENT gave us the tidbit that Tucker "didn't even graduate college; he learned about engineering working on boat engines."

Of course, those were the rough-and-tumble early days of Starfleet.

Kor

 

[FormerLurker]

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It's a free society.

In American dollars from any era, their net earnings would be no dollars.

That's currency, though. What about credits?

 

[bdub76]

Nothing after watching Voyage Home. They have no concept of money. They should be happy with the free healthcare they get from Bones.

 

[Ragitsu]

Near-utopian Federation. No money. Et cetera.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Non-medical cadets graduate as Ensigns, medical ones graduate as Lt. JG (see Bashir), probably because of additional training. You could compare them like that:
BSc = Ensign
MSc = MD = Lt. JG
PhD = Lt.
Group leader = Lt. Cdr.
Professor = Cdr.
Director = Captain

Nurses with higher ranks than Doctors?

Why was there never a M*A*S*H* where Hotlips was in charge?

90 percent of Starfleet is enlisted and ensigns.

Bashir can order them to shut up and take their medicine.

Rank dictates how much staff you can manage.

A couple nurses, a back up doctor, and a counselor.

That's why they temporarily promoted Bev to Admiral to run a hospital on Earth, which might have been the only Hospital on Earth, because of transporters.