How many starfleet ships are "missing"

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  1. Trekboy1993

    Trekboy1993 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    We got Voyager (returned), Equinox (destroyed), Defiant (Mirror Universe), Hera? How many other ships are considered MIA. I'm a firm believer that if there is no debris or bodies there is nobody dead.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    All later found, but the USS Franklin NX-326 (Star Trek Beyond) and SS Bonaventure (TAS "Time Trap") were famous missing Trek ships.
     
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  3. Trekboy1993

    Trekboy1993 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Hera hasn't been found yet and I remember a DS9 episode with Sisko talking to a dead Captain from a ship that was lost 100 years ago or something
     
  4. The Wormhole

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    The Sound of Her Voice, and that captain was only from three years in the past.
     
  5. Trekboy1993

    Trekboy1993 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Just looked it up and was only 3 years but she was wearing a TNG style uniform rather than Early DS9/Voyager
     
  6. The Wormhole

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    The TNG uniform was still being used in 2371, as we saw in Generations and a few DS9 S3 episodes. The Homefront/Paradise Lost story takes place a year later, and we Sisko himself wearing a TNG uniform there. Also, Cusack's ship the Olympia had been on its own since 2363, a year prior to TNG's first season so there's no reason to have expected them to be wearing a DS9/Voyager uniform.
     
  7. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

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    There's also a ton of ships on deep space assignments far enough to expect to rarely have contact with the Federation, based on The Sound Of Her Voice. These ships are expected to go years without contact, so who knows how many of them are destroyed in that time?
     
  8. CommanderTrip

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    According to one of the SOTL Calendars, wasn't the NX-02 Columbia declared missing? Ditto for the Enterprise B?
     
  9. The Wormhole

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    Actually, an SOTL calendar showed the wreck of Columbia found on a desert planet and discovered in the 24th century. The story of what happened to Columbia was eventually covered in the Destiny novel trilogy.

    As for the Enterprise B, I don't think an official fate for it has been covered, certainly not in canon, nor even in the novel continuity. Various fates for it include the ship going missing or the crew dying of a mysterious plague.
     
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  10. King Daniel Beyond

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    If we're including novels, the fate of the USS Hera is discovered in the novel Indistinguishable From Magic.
     
  11. Voth commando1

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    Both the novels, STO, and the fact that as stated above certain ships go on deep space assignments with minimal contact it's quite possible there are more ships missing.

    Either taken into parallel universes, alternate dimensions, captured or possessed by aliens, made playthings by various god like beings, stranded on isolated worlds, etc...

    In short, in the broader IU setting ships probably go MIA every so often. Most of the time it's probably a more mundane reason but sometimes other more exotic things happen.
     
  12. Timo

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    The Jem'Hadar in their titular episode boasted on destroying a number of ships. They may have been lying - but those ships must have been declared missing anyway, for the brag to be plausible.

    Or must they? It took Kirk six months to stumble onto the derelict Exeter, but Uhura had heard of "no trouble" during those six months of horror for Captain Tracey down on the planet. Apparently mere failing to send a "Hi, we're still alive!" signal is no grounds for declaring a ship missing during the first half a year!

    The same or worse holds for the Yamato a century later... Complete communications silence is not considered alarming in Starfleet. Perhaps exactly because ships go missing all the time, and more often than not reemerge intact eventually.

    Then again, the Defiant in "Tholian Web" vanished "without a trace", and mere three weeks later Kirk was hot on her trail. Did she manage to send an SOS after all, but not enough to amount to a "trace"?

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  13. tharpdevenport

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    That might make a good Trek series: a Federation ship of some kind on a deep space mission that takes it way out of communications range and years just to get back even at high warp.

    None of this U.S.S. Voyager shit, actual officers who know they will be out there and unable to reach loved ones or get help (maybe even running away from something, some of them), and struggle to make the right choices, stay alive, and abide by the law of the Federation. It begins simple enough, everybody gets along, but events and problems soon begin to split the crew.
     
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  14. johnnybear

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    Ha!!! Seventy thousand light years would have been nothing to Spock on the Enterprise! :vulcan:
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  15. Voth commando1

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    Eh it was said in the episode with the Kelvans it would take the enterprise thousands of years to travel to andromeda without the Kelvan technology enhancements.

    So I'd say it would have been much harder from an IU perspective but from a story point Scotty would have jury rigged the system to travel through a black hole or something.

    As for the question-I suspect most missing ships are missing for mundane reasons-capture, systems, failure, accidents, etc... As well as destruction by hostile aliens.

    Some given the trek verse probably have more exotic fates-they get sent into the past or the future, become the playthings of advanced beings or civilizations, get sent to alternate dimensions, or to different universes. Others are destroyed by various weird anomalies and so on.
     
  16. tomswift2002

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    I’m surprised no on mentioned the Pegasus. I’ve always wondered what piece of that ship the Romulan found that made them look for a ship that had been declared destroyed by Starfleet. It didn’t look like a section of hull had floated out of the asteroid, since the ship was still relatively intact, aside from what was in the rock face! (And I’ve wondered if Starfleet went back, rebooked up the cloak and got the ship out of the asteroid).
     
  17. Sophie74656

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    Interesting, kind of the oposite of Voyager. People who volunteered to go on this long mission cut off from everything. I would watch that.
     
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    ^ I would too.
     
  19. CT0760

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    I think thats what the original star trek and enterprise was for the most part, (but they left the subspace relays as they went along to keep in touch with starfleet, the only way to make it feasible for them to be out of communications range was a situation like voyager.)