how do you account for all of the numerous canon violations in this show?

[crashchaos]

they say it takes in the prime universe but there have been so many things that have gone against established canon that it makes star trek: enterprise look like child's play.

yes, im a huge nerd and these things bother me.

please tell me that in the end this is all going to make sense somehow.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I've learned not to take canon too seriously. Different creators see different things in Star Trek and as long as it's not a gigantic change I think strict adherence to canon just means it limits the stories the creators can tell. Complete consistency isn't that important.

 

[ITDUDE]

yes, im a huge nerd and these things bother me.
please tell me that in the end this is all going to make sense somehow.

It's going to be ok. It's just a tv show.

 

[Lord Garth]

DSC is my favorite Star Trek in almost 20 years. Based on that alone, I'm along for whatever they do. You can explain away almost anything if you want to. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day.

If it's good and it's to my liking, you'd be surprised at what I'm willing to overlook. That having been said, I don't see anything particularly egregious.

 

[F. King Daniel]

they say it takes in the prime universe but there have been so many things that have gone against established canon that it makes star trek: enterprise look like child's play.

yes, im a huge nerd and these things bother me.

please tell me that in the end this is all going to make sense somehow.

It's a reimagined, pretty much rebooted prime universe. New look, technology, new swapped-out designs, established characters given new siblings and character traits.

Think of it as a Gotham or Smallville type thing and you'll enjoy it a lot more than trying to squeeze it into the universe of the original series or it's spin-offs.

 

[Butters]

Is there a list of these canon violations anywhere because I haven’t noticed any, and I used to study the encyclopaedia back in the day. Granted it only covered up to DS9 season 1, but still, I think I know my stuff.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Is there a list of these canon violations anywhere because I haven’t noticed any, and I used to study the encyclopaedia back in the day. Granted it only covered up to DS9 season 1, but still, I think I know my stuff.

King Daniel posted a list of nitpicks on friday on these boards. nothing that can't be explained by existing lore and canon, but, you know... nitpickers gonna nitpick

 

[Turtletrekker]

The original series violated its own canon more than once. How would you account for that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

The original series violated its own canon more than once. How would you account for that?

Every episode takes place in it's own continuity.

 

[The Rock]

Here's a great list of all the times that ST Discovery broke canon.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-broke-canon-facts-trivia/

 

[Lord Garth]

Let's bring up the design of Discovery. One of the smartest things they did was using a design from the 1970s. Had Planet of the Titans been made the design would've been used for a Star Trek film set in the 23rd Century.

Another key: Discovery was commissioned in 2256, two years after "The Cage". If you want to accept that the Enterprise was launched in 2245... then what you have is a ship that actually is newer than the Enterprise. That's how you have a post-TOS ship in a pre-TOS show.

In fact, in Real Life, the design for the Discovery was designed in-between the original Enterprise and the refit Enterprise. It fits.

The bridge for Discovery actually looks similar to one of the original concept designs for the TOS Enterprise bridge.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Here's a great list of all the times that ST Discovery broke canon.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-broke-canon-facts-trivia/

Wow I somehow totally missed the Organian one. "Errand of Mercy" already doesn't act like there was a prior war between the Federation and the Klingons, and now Organia has somehow been conquered by Klingons 12 years previously?

 

[Tuskin38]

Here's a great list of all the times that ST Discovery broke canon.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-broke-canon-facts-trivia/

A lot of those can be explained easily, some can't. Some are outright lies.

But you can make a similar list for every Star Trek TV series.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

About Organia: Assuming that reference is accurate, it supposedly only involved the Organian system being taken over by the Klingons. Not Organia itself.

Who's to say that the Organians even revealed themselves in that episode? The only reason we ever saw anything at all on their planet in "Errand of Mercy" is because the whole thing was faked by them. Here, the Klingons could have cruised through their system and never even known that the Organians existed.

The only reason they did in TOS was because the Federation and Klingons were at loggerheads directly on Organia itself. That's the reason for the fake village, fake humanoid Organians, etc.

And it could also be argued that the only reason the Organians imposed the peace treaty we saw in TOS was to prevent another war like DSC's from ever happening again...

 

[Butters]

Here's a great list of all the times that ST Discovery broke canon.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-broke-canon-facts-trivia/

Real blink and you miss it stuff.

‘Absolutely no record of such an occurrence, Ensign’.

That’s my favourite though. Spock could have just said ‘no’ to chekov which is why I believe he protests too much. Turns out that there was a mutiny, it was his sister, and Spock was the last one to sign out those records.

The others though. Most of them are details on monitors or based on assumptions. There is no launch date in canon for the Enterprise launch. The cage doesn’t give a date, so arguing about Pikes decorated status being too early is ridiculous. TOS doesn’t ever give a gregarian date.

Pfft.

 

[Tuskin38]

Number 9 is hilarious. It's never been said in canon when Pike took command of the Enterprise.

 

[Tuskin38]

The cage doesn’t give a date, so arguing about Pikes decorated status being too early is ridiculous. TOS doesn’t ever give a gregarian date.

The writers for Discovery have said the beginning of season 1 takes place two years after The Cage, and Michael gives the year in her log in Episode One, so we have a date now.

 

[Borgminister]

I personally don't care, so I guess there's no accounting for me.

 

[Hythlodeus]

The writers for Discovery have said the beginning of season 1 takes place two years after The Cage, and Michael gives the year in her log in Episode One, so we have a date now.

HOLY KHAN NOONIEN SINGH! Does that mean DISCO actually builds on existing canon instead of ignoring it? Who'd have thunk?
/sarcasm

 

[Lord Garth]

The others though. Most of them are details on monitors or based on assumptions. There is no launch date in canon for the Enterprise launch. The cage doesn’t give a date, so arguing about Pikes decorated status being too early is ridiculous. TOS doesn’t ever give a gregarian date.

TNG was given a Gregorian Date. "The Neutral Zone" takes place in 2364, a first season episode.

"Trials & Tribble-ations" is a fifth season DS9 episode. DS9's fifth season would've been TNG's tenth season. Nine years later.

2364 + 9 = 2373

In "Trials & Tribble-ations", it's said that TOS's "The Trouble With Tribbles" takes place 105 years earlier.

2373 - 105 = 2268

"The Trouble With Tribbles" is a second season episode. "The Menagerie" is a first season episode of TOS, one year earlier. So it takes place in 2267.

Spock says the events in "The Cage" take place 13 years previously.

2267 - 13 = 2254

"The Cage" takes place in 2254.

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Also, in VOY's "Q2", Icheb says the five-year mission ended in 2270. Meaning it mathematically began in 2265.

So, TOS does have established Greogrian Dates. They just weren't determined during the actual production of TOS itself.