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How did the Sarah Sisko Prophet end up in the Orb?

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The Prophet possessed Sarah more than forty years before Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols but somehow she ends up trapped or contained in the Orb. I presume someone put the Orb in the case and buried the case on Tyree, but I wonder who that was. The Pah-wraith cultists perhaps?
 
I have no answer for you. There's a lot about this that has never been clear for me. I just wanted to chime in to add that I, too, am very, very interested in whatever answers others add to the thread. Good one.
 
Perhaps the Prophets themselves put the orb there, knowing as they do that someday the Emissary would need to find a spare Prophet to open the wormhole again.
 
Nothing about the Prophets stacks up to scrutiny. In "Emissary" they couldn't understand the concept of time but in Seasonn 7 we're expected to believe one of them was competent enough to act convincingly as a corporeal being for years.

"What's for dinner tonight, honey?"
"It is not linear".
"Again??? Can't we have something else?"
 
Right. They learned the concept of time from Sisko, then based on that knowledge they made sure he got born. What's so weird about that? ;)
 
Nothing about the Prophets stacks up to scrutiny. In "Emissary" they couldn't understand the concept of time but in Seasonn 7 we're expected to believe one of them was competent enough to act convincingly as a corporeal being for years.

"What's for dinner tonight, honey?"
"It is not linear".
"Again??? Can't we have something else?"
Sisko taught them about linear time, after which that knowledge permeated throughout their non-linear consciousness.
 
Sisko may have taught them about time but they were still ignorant of what it was to be a corporeal being. I cannot buy that the Prophet inhabiting Sarah Sisko's body managed to act like a human being convincingly. This is a Prophet who managed to convince a man to make a home with her so she must have been good. It's even dumber that they understood time well enough to go back and ensure his birth in the first place. The Prophets/Emissary stuff is the one storyline in DS9 that it was obvious the writers were making up as they went along. If time is non linear to them then obviously they knew all along the Pah Wraiths would be defeated and Bajor would be safe. I'm still non the wiser about why there had to be a price for Sisko to pay for essentially saving their asses in the Fire Caves (a plot that also makes no sense and is more fantasy than sci-fi).

DS9 did a lot of things right but the Prophets weren't one of them. It was a silly storyline that should have been wrapped up long before the finale of the series in my opinion.
 
Just because they were not linear does not mean they were omniscient or omnipresent.

One of them was linear enough to exist as a human for several years. The more the writers added onto this storyline the more convuluted and inexplainable it became. They had the power of time at their fingertips. Why the song and dance with Sisko and his trials if all they had to do was prevent the Pahwraiths from rebelling in the first place? I'm still not sure exactly why the Prophets were "of Bajor", how a book can free non corporeal beings from a cave (!) and why Sisko had to wait 7 years to jump off a cliff.
 
Just because they were not linear does not mean they were omniscient or omnipresent.

One of them was linear enough to exist as a human for several years. The more the writers added onto this storyline the more convuluted and inexplainable it became. They had the power of time at their fingertips. Why the song and dance with Sisko and his trials if all they had to do was prevent the Pahwraiths from rebelling in the first place? I'm still not sure exactly why the Prophets were "of Bajor", how a book can free non corporeal beings from a cave (!) and why Sisko had to wait 7 years to jump off a cliff.

It's interesting, because, as the writers discuss, it was Trek's first real forray in to the metaphysical on a consistent basis (i.e. not just an alien of the week like Apollo in TOS). The impression I got, and my own interpretation was that the writers wanted to leave some mystery, to allow the audience to learn along with the characters the motivation of beings who are not like corporeal beings.

Much of the explanations I have read have been that the Prophets became more familiar with linear time, and better understood how to interact with linear beings in a more meaningful, rather than confusing, way.

I always took Sarah as being a Prophet who created a temporal causality loop, as they both impacted Sisko's conception and were impacted by his knowledge of linear time.
 
Just because they were not linear does not mean they were omniscient or omnipresent.

One of them was linear enough to exist as a human for several years. The more the writers added onto this storyline the more convuluted and inexplainable it became. They had the power of time at their fingertips. Why the song and dance with Sisko and his trials if all they had to do was prevent the Pahwraiths from rebelling in the first place? I'm still not sure exactly why the Prophets were "of Bajor", how a book can free non corporeal beings from a cave (!) and why Sisko had to wait 7 years to jump off a cliff.
Essentially living in subspace, their actions had the appearance of defying time. They can act in ways that appear to contradict the laws of causality, thus appearing to time travel. However, the specific information that they needed--who was the emissary, what linear time was like, what sort of confrontation the emissary would face--occurred in normal spacetime. Presumably, that information can only reach them according to the normal means that causality works: at best, at the speed of light.
 
Interesting points from all. I'd never considered the Prophets actually being an evolved version of the Bajorans. I would have liked that to be worked into their storyline to give them some sort of meaningful relationship with Bajor.

Temporal causality gives me a headache. Everything has to start somewhere so either the Prophets created Sisko or Sisko taught the Prophets how to create him. Neither of which can exist without the other so one of them had to come first which is a huge plot hole in the entire story.
 
Everything has to start somewhere so either the Prophets created Sisko or Sisko taught the Prophets how to create him. Neither of which can exist without the other so one of them had to come first which is a huge plot hole in the entire story.
Nope, both happened. That's just the way it is. :)
 
Everything has to start somewhere so either the Prophets created Sisko or Sisko taught the Prophets how to create him. Neither of which can exist without the other so one of them had to come first which is a huge plot hole in the entire story.
Nope, both happened. That's just the way it is. :)

The perfect example of bad storytelling. We can't explain it so you just have to accept it:rommie:
 
Here's one way to think about it. Imagine you can see an object traveling above the speed of light. It creates a streak across your vision because it appears in several spaces simultaneously. In the direction of travel, the object crashes into a rock. Normally, there is no way to prevent the accident, because the information could only move at the speed of light, slower than the apparent velocity of the object. In "subspace," where normal spacetime is not in play, it would be theoretically possible for you to observe the crash and communicate the information to the ship to avoid the crash. The causal order would be reversed--from the perspective of normal space.

According to DS9, the Prophets live in a limited area of subspace. They are not confined by the normal causal order. However, a cause must still take place in order for the effect to precede it. They learn about Ben Sisko and intend to use him to communicate to the Bajorans. That knowledge permeats their society, which extends temporally. They communicate messages about what Sisko should do, but that information appears and many different points on the timeline. The Prophets become concerned that someone will interfere with Sisko's development, to they send one of their own to insure his birth. That Prophet is able to access Sarah Sisko's consciousness so that she can act in a way consistent with her normal behavior (as the Pahwraith did in The Assignment). By doing so, the effect of meeting Sisko becomes the cause that creates (or insures) his birth.
 
I cannot buy that the Prophet inhabiting Sarah Sisko's body managed to act like a human being convincingly.
I'm not sure I manage to act like a human being convincingly, and yet, I have two kids. One of them is of Bajor. (No, really, her middle name is Nerys.) :D
 
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