How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journey?

[Guy Gardener]

It's a safe bet to say that as Janeway was being dicked around by the Caretaker that the Dominion was putting together an expedition to destroy the Federation eventually albeit some 70 years after the party started.... A thousand Dominion Heavy Cruisers on a war footing charging forth for a 75 (They said 90 in the first episode, but later everyone kept saying 70 or 75 Light Years. Weird.) year plod to outflank the enemy.

Was the trip from the DQ to the AQ easier or faster than the trip from the GQ to the AQ, comparatively at the conclusion of any season would you believe that The Dominion had made more headway towards Earth than Kathryn? At journeys end how pissed off would the Vorta on deck have been to find that peace had been sorted without them being recalled.

There were so many timelines in play during the course of the series, that it's possible that the Dominion might have beat Voyager to Earth sometimes. Gods, it took that slacker Admiral Janeway 21 years to get back to Earth! And other times she smashed into Hoth because it was looking at her funny.

 

[Timo]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

I guess it depends on whether the Dominion fleet would be single-minded about reaching Earth, or single-minded about enforcing Dominion ideals. If the latter, they might stop every two weeks to have an adventure where they subjugate a threatening Solid culture, in which case 21 years might actually be good going.

Somehow I doubt the Dominion would be actively looking for shortcuts. But they didn't shy away from the Bajoran wormhole when they encountered it, so who knows...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Deckerd]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

D'you think the Jem Hadar have a sense of humour? I mean 75 years on the road could get a bit dull without the odd prank.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

If they did stop for adventures every week, and had a novel amount of casualties, 75 years is perhaps 25 generations.... It's the Vorta I'd be worried about cracking up.

Here's obviously the secondary mission: Founding Jem'Hadar colony farms.

Imagine if the Dominion is one day in a pickle and they're retreating into unknown space only to bump straight into a few worlds populated by billions and billions of loyal Jem'Hadar?

My mind ticks over slowly, this post is obviously brought to you today by the classic Movie Laurence of Arabia. There was a bit in the middle where he has to attack this fort, but he ignores the obvious route there through some springs, and marches his army at triple speed the long way around with out water just to attack the enemy from behind and by surprise even though half his horses died of dehydration. Yes, yes, the movie was based on real people and real battles.

Considering the Dominion didn't build a Station on the other-side of the Wormhole, I'm thinking that they did shy away from it... But that was mostly not to spook Odo. It's why we don't stand outside mouse holes on edge with shotguns. Although there was that episode about the Jem'hadar holding an Iconian Gateway? They seemed invested in that. It's possible that the Dominion Convoy (Can you hear the song lyrics in your head?) might have glanced across the Hirogen communication network which was absolutely vast.

 

[Saquist]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

(Had to read the first post several times ...to many off hand remarks)

It's not an issue. Subspace radio would have any fleet turned back before they ever get there. (unless it's Borg subspace radio transmitting from 22nd century then it takes 200 years to get there)

But I don't think any such fleet was ever sent.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

The Founders learned in The Search that at the first sign of losing, that Sisko and his crew despite any personal sacrifice would close the worm hole permanently.

Only a fool doesn't have contingencies.

Remember, %99 of why they were there was "Odo" and just like trying to separate mother and Child, the big ball of goo in the GQ was thoroughly invested in the bucket of goo in the AQ, and what they would do to get him back into their bosom would make Lassie look like a quitter and loser (Oh, and that Elizabeth Taylor movie about how she misplaced her Horse.).

Oh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

The French built this impenetrable 16 mile deep border of landmines, pits, tank obstacles and machine gun nests on it's border with Germany. It would have been impossibly brutal to go through "it" with any sizable army. Hitler invaded an adjacent country first, marched for a few days (sat in trucks?) and went around the Maginot Line completely like it was just something that happened to other people.

Maybe not a thousand ships, but the Dominion did have to send a force of some size towards the Alpha Quadrant, maybe just a dozen vessels, and who knows, if they did, the Federation would have been fighting a war on two fronts, if the convoy made it to the AQ in 5 years or less, and they might have won before the Founders noticed they had been poisoned.

 

[G2309]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

They'd be better expanding the teritory around them than Having territory it takes 75 year to reach with the wormhole out of action. Besides the Federation would probably know they're coming a long time before they arrive.
Why waste the time?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

Their entire military is disposable, because they place no value in the lives of the Jem'Hadar of Vorta.

The Founders are so long lived to the point of function-able immortality, that pardon the pun, but 75 years (each way) to fetch Odo is barely a drop in the bucket.

It's barely a noticeable use of their time or resources.

Actually.

While we're thinking about this, the Federation would also have sent a fleet the long way around towards the dominion to sort things out from the other side... I mean consider "Life line" where we learnt that the federation had ships 25 light years from earth just being all science and explorationy.

When the Dominion destroyed the USS Odyssey, the Federation already had a number of ships almost half way to Dominion Space, only they didn't know it yet that that's what they were heading towards, like how on his last legs, with an aging army falling apart at the seems after a decade of ripping Peloponnesia a new one, Alexander the Great came within a few hundred miles of invading India (millions of well armed psychopaths, and millions of elephants.) when he got tired, said "fuck it" and turned back for home.

 

[Deckerd]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

Their entire military is disposable, because they place no value in the lives of the Jem'Hadar of Vorta.

That's what it is to be a slave.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

I agree they're slaves, but it's also a question if "clones" are "real" in the eyes of the Founders?

If they're just fleshy robot things, who should place value in them?

especially since the Vorta's personality is kept on a hard drive and constantly updated and uploaded into new flesh suits over and over again... The Vorta personality is as digital as it is organic surely? Is any given Vorta a "real" persona when it's not inside a body by just a hard drive on a shelf between bodies?

Would the Founders be such assholes if their army was composed of living thinking feeling unique citizen-soldiers instead of automatons?

 

[Deckerd]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

Sigh.

I quote greatness and he ignores it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

I listened and I heard.

I saw Blade Runner about a year ago.

Your "name" and the quote suggests a passing interest in the movie.

I liked the book better.

 

[Deckerd]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

I avoid most discussions on it here, barring a few comments. But we digress. My fault. Back to the Dominion fleet...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: How closely did the Dominions Invasion Fleet mirror Voyagers Journ

What about the Sikarans?

Their reach extended 40,000 light years from their home-world, perhaps in every direction, and they would have to be on the very edge of the galaxy that their furthermost outposts didn't intersect with the actual Dominion if not the some exploratory expedition looking for short cuts towards the Alpha Quadrant that they wouldn't have seized the technology...