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Hope hope..nope

I have a good feeling that XI is going to be one of the better treks....but...oye...haven't we been down this road before??? What TREK movie were you the most up for, only to have your hopes crumbled to dust as you saw the movie for the first time? You sat there getting lower and lower and lower in your seat..

For me it was Nemesis...I went into that movie hoping for a rebound after Insurrection. And by the second half of the movie I knew it was going to be a turkey....

Rob
Scorpio
 
I don't know that I've ever been down that road before.

  • TUC: the first of the films I saw in the theaters, and I knew nothing about it going in other than what they showed in the TV commercials.
  • GEN: I knew Kirk was going to die, based on the massive press coverage afforded by magazines like Time and Entertainment Weekly (the latter publishing an excerpt about GEN from Shat's Star Trek Movie Memories). I liked the film at the time (this was when I was still young, foolish, and easily swayed by professionally executed visual effects ;)), so I can't say I was disappointed in 1994.
  • FC: I knew that the Borg were involved, and there was some time travel, but that was it. Most of the fansites I frequented then were focused on trying to figure out what the 1701-E would look like. I remember a plot outline that somehow featured Lwaxana Troi and Alexander Rozhenko that was truly awful, but it was very quickly debunked. Liked this one, so I wasn't disappointed.
  • INS: Probably the first of the films I was heavily spoilered on. I enjoyed the film for what it was, and I still do, so I wasn't disappointed.
  • NEM: Knew everything going in. I'd read not only the leaked script, but The Facer's annotated version of the script (which is still very hilarious). And of course, I was a poster here by that time. Shitty advance word-of-mouth that seemed to jibe with the fanboyish tone of the script had me going into this one merely hoping it wouldn't suck, and that I would be entertained. Sadly, it lived up to neither of those very low expectations. But I wouldn't say my hopes were so high that I left the film crushed.
 
I don't know that I've ever been down that road before.

  • TUC: the first of the films I saw in the theaters, and I knew nothing about it going in other than what they showed in the TV commercials.
  • GEN: I knew Kirk was going to die, based on the massive press coverage afforded by magazines like Time and Entertainment Weekly (the latter publishing an excerpt about GEN from Shat's Star Trek Movie Memories). I liked the film at the time (this was when I was still young, foolish, and easily swayed by professionally executed visual effects ;)), so I can't say I was disappointed in 1994.
  • FC: I knew that the Borg were involved, and there was some time travel, but that was it. Most of the fansites I frequented then were focused on trying to figure out what the 1701-E would look like. I remember a plot outline that somehow featured Lwaxana Troi and Alexander Rozhenko that was truly awful, but it was very quickly debunked. Liked this one, so I wasn't disappointed.
  • INS: Probably the first of the films I was heavily spoilered on. I enjoyed the film for what it was, and I still do, so I wasn't disappointed.
  • NEM: Knew everything going in. I'd read not only the leaked script, but The Facer's annotated version of the script (which is still very hilarious). And of course, I was a poster here by that time. Shitty advance word-of-mouth that seemed to jibe with the fanboyish tone of the script had me going into this one merely hoping it wouldn't suck, and that I would be entertained. Sadly, it lived up to neither of those very low expectations. But I wouldn't say my hopes were so high that I left the film crushed.

You are a better man than I..I always go in and come out depressed, especially for the later movies..

I do remember reading VOYAGE HOME novel days before it came out.....I was so looking forward to Kirk finally using the Vulcan neck pinch on the doctor, as he did in the book....but they changed the scene..i was so bummed..

Rob
 
GEN: I was really up for the Kirk/Picard team-up and an epic exit for Trek's greatest captain. I was disappointed on both counts.
 
TMP really crushed hope and enraged, for the first several years anyway.
SFS was a huge disappointment from mid-movie on.
Haven't really had high hopes for any of them in a very long time.
 
TFF

After two great movies 2 & 4, and a decent #3 TFF was a huge let-down.
I thought they were infalable Bennett, Nimoy, Meyer etc.
 
INS.

The plot descriptions sounded so cool... Picard hunting down rogue-Data/ the crew uncovering a sinister Starfleet plot on a strange new world and laying down their uniforms to fight for justice/ Riker and Troi re-sparking their romance/ etc.

On top of that, the 90's had been such a wonderful time to be a young Trek fan. After 3 great movies in a row (hey, I was a kid) how could the new one not be great?
 
TMP: I was swept up in all the hype, and only had memories of TAS and a few TOS episodes. A friend had been to the Sydney gala premiere/preview, but it was a few weeks till it hit general release. While waiting, I picked up the novelization, not intending to read it in a weekend, and bought the soundtrack on the strength of how I felt about the story. Absolutely loved the movie, found organized fandom, then was shocked that so many original fans hated the movie.

ST II: Deeply involved in rumour detective work for our newsletter, for months leading up to the release. Lucky enough to get an invitation to an industry preview a week early. Was part of a huge group booking - 100s in full costume - at the premiere night. I still preferred TMP, but it was great that so many of my new friends actually liked this one! A great night!

ST III: More rumour detective work for our newsletter, for months leading up to the release. Helped to coordinate invitations to two industry previews a few days early. 100s in full costume at the premiere night. This film was delayed in Australia by several agonizing months, and I ended up reading the novelization early. We had high hopes and most were fulfilled.

ST IV: Compiled regular "sealed sections" for our newsletter, for months leading up to the release. Our club was invited to provide 100 members in full costume at the free gala celebrity premiere night, which was combined with the inaugural "Buspak Awards" This was a huge event, with free alcohol, disco and access to many Australian celebrities. An amazing night, and the movie was very well received. (I also got to see the "work print" version a few weeks earlier, so that four of us could help replicate Spock's robes for the Spock lookalike we were providing for the big night.) Many old time fans hated this movie and worried that ST had been "dumbed down for the masses".
ST V: Oh dear, we weren't liking what we were hearing... Again, deeply involved in rumour detective work for our newsletter, for months leading up to the release. The teaser poster asked "Why are they putting seatbelts in theatres this (US) summer?" and we wondered if it was to keep cinema-goers from leaving early. Was part of a group booking at a lower-key suburban premiere night. We expected the worst, and most of our wacky predictions came hilariously true. (Years later, we were vindicated by "Galaxy Quest"!)

ST VI: The usual detective work for our newsletter, for months leading up to the release. Was one of the first group to see the trailer, previewed at a convention. Helped to coordinate invitations to a sneak industry preview a few weeks early, and then missed the premiere night because I booked to fly to the US. Saw the film again with penpals in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Generally satisfying.

GEN: Lots of upheaval on local fan scene, but we also weren't liking what we were hearing about this movie. Wasn't as bad as I dreaded. Went to a rather subdued (by comparison) suburban premiere night. Ho hum. Really missing the good ol' 80s way of celebrating a new ST film.

FC: Usual fan rumours flying, lots of scripted scenes leaked on news nets, and various polarized reactions from fandom. Everyone seemed divided about how the film would fly, but it mainly surpassed expectations for entertainment value. The magical first-nights seemed to be a thing of the past. Local fandom now mainly made up of TNG fans.

INS: Usual fan rumours flying, lots of scripted scenes - and whole scripts - leaked on news nets, and various polarized reactions from fandom. Everyone seemed divided about how the film would fly, but it mainly seemed to disappoint. Because I'd read the script, I had no surprises whatsoever. My small theatre group saw the premiere together and we did manage to have fun.

NEM: Even greater-than-usual fan hatred flying about, and whole scripts leaked onto the Internet. Everyone online seemed certain the movie would flop dismally and it was a shock to me that American fans went to see "Maid in Manhattan" instead. Fandom almost dead in Sydney. Saw the film locally on opening night with a friend from work. There were only about 50 people in the cinema. NEM did have a healthy Australian opening weekend, though. I expected to be depressed about losing Data, but really felt the director blew it!
 
I think I was the most disappointed with Insurrection. Before it came out it had all this hype, pretty much implying the end of the old number curse.
Generations was a disappointment as well, with the killing of Kirk. I do wish he survived at the end and still alive in the 24th century.
 
TMP: I was not a trekker yet but I had seen ST, I enjoyed it. I thought the movie was OK, but knew that a lot of people hated it.

ST II: I didn't know much about Trek's history yet, but I loved Khan. I hoped it would be better than TMP and it was.

ST III: This is the first movie I saw during the era when I watched TOS faithfully in reruns and became a true Trekker. It wasn't as good as STII but I thought it lived up to expectations.

ST IV: First time I looked for spoilers and read and watched info voraciously. It was the most publicized Trek I had seen on tv at the time. It was the greatest movie theater experience I had. The full theaters each time I saw it were totally into the movie and laughing. Exceeded expectations.

ST V: Followed this one closely for awhile and the news was not good. I saw it in theaters with 3 people and I was the biggest trekker. I felt like I had to apologize afterwards.

ST VI: Saw this twice around the holidays, I like the trailers and spoilers and when I saw it in theaters I thought it was a great movie. I've cooled off on it since though.

GEN: Disappointed, despite some good moments. Felt like a first season STNG episode without the newness.

FC: First full-fledged internet spoilers after a trickle for Generations. I heard good things and the movie delivered in everything except for the battle scene.

INS: Enjoyable but not memorable. For the first time I left the theater entertained but I didn't have much interest in discussing afterwards.

NEM: Heard decent word of mouth, and I liked the movie in the theater. It wasn't till I saw it on DVD though that I realized it was underrated. I was happy that ST restored some epic feel t o the movies.

RAMA

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...it was a shock to me that American fans went to see "Maid in Manhattan" instead.
They did? I was under the impression that they skipped Nemesis, opting to go see The Two Towers the following weekend instead.

Lord knows it's what I would have done if I had that Friday to live over again. :p
 
I haven't really come out of a theater disappointed with a Trek film mainly because I've been so young seeing each of them. However, looking back over the ones I have seen in theaters, the only one I'm disappointed in is Insurrection. It wasn't a bad film, but it just felt like it was trying to be something it wasn't. And the it was a great idea and concept that was executed in a very meh fashion.
 
I haven't been so disappointed in them when I've seen them in the cinema (granted that only really covers TNG films). I remember thinking Insurrection felt like a big budget two parter, and not the fresh smack upside the head that First Contact was.

By the time Nemesis came along, I was still in denial there was anything wrong with the franchise. I went to see the film twice (possibly three times, I can't remember), thinking it was good... Then doubt started to creep in, I bought the DVD, I listened to it on a decent sound system and started noticing things wrong with sound effects (whooshing stars at warp?), and not least the many plotholes, inaccuracies (just how many decks has the E-E got at this point?!), and the fact that Stuart Baird either didn't get Trek, or actively wanted to punish us brutally :p

I do remember being a bit miffed at them digitally altering Worf's voice. I mean, it wasn't like we'd been used to it for the best part of 15 years at this point is it? :p

I think this has made me a bit wary of Trek XI, although I did enjoy Abrams' early work on Lost and Alias... It's the whole "re-imagining" bit I don't get - it's a helluva gamble and I'm hoping it pays off :)
 
I was very underwhelmed with both Insurrection and Nemesis. Trek XI has me a little excited, but I'm trying not to get my hopes too high. It it sucks, then I shan't be too disappointed.
 
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