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Honestly... I don't know. (Spoilers)

Maverick is, with James Garner reprising his TV role, though as a bit of a red herring in the Mel Gibson version's story.

Are you implying that Garner was playing the original Maverick and that Gibson was playing Bret Maverick, Jr.?

If so, what led you to believe this?

IIRC, James Garner had stated in an interview that he was playing his character from the TV series and the Mel Gibson was playing his son. It wasn't really something stated in the movie itself, but rather a performance thing. Garner appeared to be playing it that way in the movie, but nothing in dialog indicated one way or the other.
 
Originally posted by ST-One
Get off your high horse. Star Trek was always aimed at these 'unwashed masses'.
Large audience appeal is what makes such franchises big. Not the pandering to ... the likes of CRA and ... other fanboys like him.

I have nothing against Star Trek being accessible to non-fans or common folk watching Trek. My problem is that non-fans are going to see this movie and think that's what Star Trek is. And based on what I've seen so far, this movie does not represent what Star Trek has been for the past forty years. I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Trek by this movie, and thinks that this is what we've been enjoying for our lives.

Yes, just to bitch and moan afterwards how and what they (team Abrams) fucked up, I guess

So? If that is my opinion after I've seen the movie, is it not my right to express it?

Originally posted by cultsacrifice
Why the fuck would they look like the 60s cast? Bar a few gender/race based basics, they're different actors, hopefully cast for how well they act. They're not meant to look the same. In this day and age, if they wanted young Shatner and Nimoy, they could have done it with CGI characters. They recast for a reason.

Obviously I'm not expecting clones, but I do expect to see something that strikes me think of the characters. True, this may be something that I'll have to wait until I see the movie and actually see their performances to properly judge, but at this moment, the only one one that I can actually see the character is Scotty. When I look at Simon Pegg in that red shirt I think Scotty. Meanwhile when I look at Zachary Quinto in the blue shirt and pointed ears, I see Zachary Quinto in a blue shirt and pointed ears. The others look like imposters to me at this moment.

OK, he's bald, we have a photo of him in a similar pose, and he's connected to the Romulans. Unless you can think of more, the similarities end there.

He also has a thing for hanging out in darkness.

You're rating this one below Nemesis and Final Frontier before you've seen it? OK, I was wrong. This is what Star Trek is about.

Actually, yes. TFF is actually an okay film which suffers from production problems but is actually enjoyable to watch. Nemesis can be enjoyed if you shut your brain off and don't think about it.

Why? Have the courage of your convictions. Stay away.

In the end, I am a Trek fan, and that requires me to see the movie. And besides, as Trek fans we're all guaranteed to see the movie, even those who say they won't see it. Personal experiance has taught me that anyone who says at this early point they won't see a movie will end up seeing it anyway.

Like with me. All throughout 2007 I said I wasn't going to see Transformers when it came out. And sure enough, I was in theatres seeing it on its second day. Trust me, it still disappointed me, but I learned on that day that regardless of my opinion of it beforehand, I was going to see Trek XI in theatres.

Transformers 2 on the other hand may take some arm-twisitng, but that's a discussion for another thread.
 
this means that for hundreds of people, they will be introduced to Star Trek through this and if they enjoy it, they will think this is what Star Trek is. And I find that sad.

You know what, people said that to me for my first 15 years in ST fandom. My first experience was ST:TMP in 1979. ST fans kept trying to apologize for it.

I loved it just fine, thank you very much, and it's still my favourite Star Trek. I did go back and research what I'd missed (TOS and the rest of TAS I hadn't discovered accidentally), and I enjoyed seeing them. But TMP is my favourite.

I have no problem if a new fan's first experience is ST IV, VOY, "Nemesis" or ENT either. Or ST XI.
 
Originally posted by ST-One
Get off your high horse. Star Trek was always aimed at these 'unwashed masses'.
Large audience appeal is what makes such franchises big. Not the pandering to ... the likes of CRA and ... other fanboys like him.
I have nothing against Star Trek being accessible to non-fans or common folk watching Trek. My problem is that non-fans are going to see this movie and think that's what Star Trek is. And based on what I've seen so far, this movie does not represent what Star Trek has been for the past forty years. I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Trek by this movie, and thinks that this is what we've been enjoying for our lives.

Ah, you are one of those select few who have already seen the movie... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by ST-One
Get off your high horse. Star Trek was always aimed at these 'unwashed masses'.
Large audience appeal is what makes such franchises big. Not the pandering to ... the likes of CRA and ... other fanboys like him.
I have nothing against Star Trek being accessible to non-fans or common folk watching Trek. My problem is that non-fans are going to see this movie and think that's what Star Trek is. And based on what I've seen so far, this movie does not represent what Star Trek has been for the past forty years. I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Trek by this movie, and thinks that this is what we've been enjoying for our lives.

Ah, you are one of those select few who have already seen the movie... :rolleyes:


When I say "what I've seen so far" I am referring to the pictrues released this week. Obviously I'm pre-judging a movie I haven't seen yet. This is the internet, we do this sort of thing around here.
 
I have nothing against Star Trek being accessible to non-fans or common folk watching Trek. My problem is that non-fans are going to see this movie and think that's what Star Trek is. And based on what I've seen so far, this movie does not represent what Star Trek has been for the past forty years. I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Trek by this movie, and thinks that this is what we've been enjoying for our lives.

Ah, you are one of those select few who have already seen the movie... :rolleyes:


When I say "what I've seen so far" I am referring to the pictrues released this week. Obviously I'm pre-judging a movie I haven't seen yet. This is the internet, we do this sort of thing around here.

And you can tell by looking at pictures what Star Trek is going to represent?

Can you pick my lottery numbers for me, please?
 
I'm not crazy about the uniforms, but will wait and see.

Kelso, I've PM'd you. Please get in touch.
 
Ah, you are one of those select few who have already seen the movie... :rolleyes:


When I say "what I've seen so far" I am referring to the pictrues released this week. Obviously I'm pre-judging a movie I haven't seen yet. This is the internet, we do this sort of thing around here.

And you can tell by looking at pictures what Star Trek is going to represent?

Can you pick my lottery numbers for me, please?


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Rob Scorpio
 
My problem is that non-fans are going to see this movie and think that's what Star Trek is.
They would be right in thinking that, wouldn't they? That's what Star Trek is. It may not be what Star Trek used to be, but there's no denying that this movie is the official contemporary take on Star Trek.

And based on what I've seen so far, this movie does not represent what Star Trek has been for the past forty years.
And why should it? I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from here. This is a movie, not a memorabilia catalogue. Why should it represent anything but itself? Do you imply that every single Star Trek show or movie should represent everything else? How would that even be possible?

I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Trek by this movie, and thinks that this is what we've been enjoying for our lives.
I'm certain that people realize that this is a new movie and that we can't possibly have enjoyed it before its release. When people saw The Dark Knight they didn't assume that the 1960's Batman show had anything to do with it apart from the main characters.

And isn't it a bit early to "feel sorry" for anyone? I understand those who are pessimistic about this movie, but expecting to hate it and feeling preemptively sorry for anyone who enjoys it is pushing it, in my opinion. This is not chess, you don't have to anticipate several moves in advance.
 
Uniforms- I love them. I just don't like the delta pattern in the yellow uniforms. And have you noticed the trousers' stitches near the knees?

The bridge - Oh the bridge! I have to admit my first thought was "messa dont like it", but it's growing on me now. The screens look great, not so sure about the podium with the barcode readers...

The USS Kelvin - Although it's a lazy design ("Listen, we need this ship to look LESS advanced than the E, it's from a previous time". "OK, let's build it with only ONE nacelle then!"), I like it very much. And the phaser turrets are soooo cool!

Pine as Kirk - Awesome! Looks the part!

QUinto as Spock - He doesn't look the part, HE IS the part!

Urban as McCoy - Believable, can't wait to hear him go all "I'm a doctor, not a..." on us!

Chow as Sulu - My guess is this "Sulu as an action hero" will blow people's minds!

Pegg as Scotty - The "WTF?" of the movie... in the beginning. Now I'm seeing what JJ saw in him

Yelchin as Chekov - Chekov has curly hair? The jury's out on this one

Saldaña as Uhura - HOT!

Is this May 2009 already? No? Oh God...
 
As far as the uniforms go, I remember all the complaining about the diamond pattern on the new SR suit (and all the stupid S's on the shield), but when you actually watched the movie you could barely make any of that out.

I'm sure it'll be the same thing here. The pattern is just so the colors won't look too flat on a giant movie screen.
apparently all that complaining meant something to warner brothers . when they announced the superman reboot one of the things they mentioned that would be changed was the suit! they stated that they were going with a more "traditional" superman coutume. so.... i guess the fans bitching and moaning meant something to them!

Then for Gods sake I hope Paramount doesn't read this boards...
 
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