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Holo Pregnancy

Renvar

Lieutenant Commander
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In "The Killing Game", Torres is given a holographic pregnancy. B'Elanna even notes that it weighs on her body, and can even feel it kick. I'm at a loss to figure out how that is possible. Was the holodeck actually projecting a fetus inside her body?
 
Good question. I don't really see how the holodeck can actually project a fetus onto somebody. Or into someone. I guess it's just one of those suspension of disbeliefs we have to accept about the miraculous holodeck tech.
 
Good question. I don't really see how the holodeck can actually project a fetus onto somebody. Or into someone. I guess it's just one of those suspension of disbeliefs we have to accept about the miraculous holodeck tech.

Neelix.
Lungs.
Holograms.
 
...Of course, it might be that the holographic tummy was all external, the kicks faked with external stimuli, and that Torres' womb wasn't really distended, at least not that much. That's what the holodeck is all about: cheating the senses.

Timo Saloniemi
 
...Of course, it might be that the holographic tummy was all external, the kicks faked with external stimuli, and that Torres' womb wasn't really distended, at least not that much. That's what the holodeck is all about: cheating the senses.

Timo Saloniemi

That's pretty creepy, to think that the holodeck can make you feel things, even processes inside your own personal body. You couldn't really trust anything you feel while on the holodeck, could you? :eek:
 
I suppose when you get down to it, that's true. Just never thought they'd take it that far. *shudder*
 
I guess Evil Space Nazis will cross a few safety and decency limits the standard users won't. Although I also think it might be a very useful feature, this pregnancy simulation program...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Or quite humorous. I don't see why you couldn't make anyone pregnant, even a man. :lol:
 
...Of course, it might be that the holographic tummy was all external, the kicks faked with external stimuli, and that Torres' womb wasn't really distended, at least not that much. That's what the holodeck is all about: cheating the senses.

Timo Saloniemi

I was thinking that exactly
 
I've wondered whether it could change the appearance of players, such as change your clothes or make you look younger or larger or smaller; whatever. It wouldn't change you substantially; just make you appear different. Even another species; you could be a Klingon or other humanoid. I assume it would be difficult to make one appear to be a snake or something radically different.
 
In the series finale of Enterprise we saw Commander Riker's clothes change from the ENT uniform to the TNG one when he ended the simulation. The holodeck was also able to make Lal look like a Klingon, an Andorian, and apparently several thousand other possibilities when she was choosing her looks. So we know that it can change the way people appear. It just seems weird that Torres would feel the holo-baby kick if it wasn't inside her real womb.
 
^ ^ I just rewatched all of Enterprise and forgot about that. I just started rewatching NG, which I hadn't watched in quite a few years, so I should be seeing Lal again before too long. I wonder how that feels, having the holodeck put a different look on.
 
Good question. I don't really see how the holodeck can actually project a fetus onto somebody. Or into someone. I guess it's just one of those suspension of disbeliefs we have to accept about the miraculous holodeck tech.

Neelix.
Lungs.
Holograms.

That was actually addressed in that episode though, Neelix was completely immobilised so that the lungs could operate in a fixed position. To me that does give it some credulity. The Torres thing is completely different though, she was walking around the whole time she was 'pregnant', which implies the holoemitters must have had a substantial upgrade since Phage!
 
It would basically suffice to insert a small pulsating forcefield and keep it centered on Torres. No more difficult, probably, than keeping those "bichromatic" filters centered on the Captain Proton players during a typical program. No nanometer accuracy required - millimeters would do quite nicely.

The holodeck might even do that routinely, to simulate the experience of having a full stomach after eating holo-food. You'd be hungry again immediately after turning off the program, as opposed to the option where the holodeck replicates you some real food. Some might prefer the former settings.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It would basically suffice to insert a small pulsating forcefield and keep it centered on Torres. No more difficult, probably, than keeping those "bichromatic" filters centered on the Captain Proton players during a typical program. No nanometer accuracy required - millimeters would do quite nicely.

The holodeck might even do that routinely, to simulate the experience of having a full stomach after eating holo-food. You'd be hungry again immediately after turning off the program, as opposed to the option where the holodeck replicates you some real food. Some might prefer the former settings.

Timo Saloniemi

Right, so we know that the holodeck can make someone look pregnant easily enough, at least on the outside. It could even give the simulated distended tummy mass so the player has to heft the weight of it. I guess I'm more focused on the kicking. Since I'm a guy and have no reference to what a kicking baby in my womb feels like, I can't really say if the holodeck has the ability to create that sensation on a person. How would it even do that, though? It's not like the players nervous system is hooked into the hologrid, is it?
 
If the holodeck is projecting a forcefield into the uterus to replicate a baby's movement, what happens if someone tells the program to ramp that forcefield up?
 
My understanding of the holodeck was that it combined holograms, force fields and replication as needed. Not a big stretch to envision a low-power tractor beam as well.

Problem retconned.
 
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