News He-Man anime series from Kevin Smith coming to Netflix

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  1. Guy Gardener

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    When I was little, on the bottom of the planet, we had the He-Man toys which were so cool, but they didn't play the cartoon after school, and I never saw any advertising, believe me I looked, but kids had the toys and the rich kids had all the toys.

    At some point after the She-Ra toyline failed, Hordak and the Horde got retasked to the He-Man line, as the new Villain who hated both Skeletor and He-Man, opening a third front on Enternia.

    It took me 30 years to notice that Hordak started off in She-Ra.

    If She-Ra was woke they wouldn't have suppressed the gayness of She-Ra and Katra for 4 years. Or dialed back the lesbian lust Scorpia had for Katra in season 3 and four.

    I'm sure the creatives wanted to fly their freak flag, but there were f#ckwits in suits suggesting that that show would get canceled if it seemed too gay.

    Last fu#king episode.
     
  2. Myko

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    It's the other way around, Hordak (and the Evil Horde) was created as toys for the He-Man toyline, but the He-Man cartoon was ending so they ended up in the She-Ra cartoon instead.

    Edit to be more accurate: The Evil Horde was developed by Mattel and Filmation in conjunction for the MOTU toyline and the She-Ra cartoon. Catra appears in the Princess of Power-toyline while the other horde characters (Hordak, Leech, Grizzlor, Mantenna) are in the MOTU toyline.

    Non-cartoon works would predominantly use Hordak as a He-Man villain.
     
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  3. Reverend

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    Guy...
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    GUY! Remember to breath. Also, I think you've forgotten to take your pills again! ;)
     
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  4. Mach5

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    I think it's safe to conclude that it is.

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    Up 415 spots in just a few days.
     
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  5. Saul

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    Completely don't get that. I never met a girl interested in She-ra (that's not to say they don't/didn't exist) but I knew boys who were He-man fans and had She-ra figures and watched She-ra. I watched She-ra too.

    Totally, totally worth it. I remember way back when I spoke to someone about Babylon 5, Deep Space Nine, Star Wars and how epic they were. They hadn't seen any of them but from but my description of each franchise they had recommended 'Legend of Galactic Heroes' and I was blown away by it. Game of Thrones in space.
     
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  6. Mach5

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    Only with organic plot progression and a satisfying ending.
     
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  7. Pauln6

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    I'm 6 episodes into the 2002 show. Apart from the inexplicable oddity of the bee people all being male, it's great. Teela's crush on He-Man has appeared for the first time and Skeletor has just sussed that there is something odd going on with Greyskull. It's great to see the plot moving forward.

    Evil Lynn is the best character by a mile.
     
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  8. Mach5

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    The 3-part pilot is fantastic, but you haven't seen anything yet. For me, the good stuff starts with episode 9.
     
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  9. JD

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    I can't remember if we were talking about the bit twist openly or not, so I'll just talk in code.
    I just read part of Tor.com's review, and I didn't not realize the big controversial thing happened at the beginning of the season, from the way people had been talking, I thought it was at the end.
    It is pretty brave to open the series like that, but even if it wasn't the big cliffhanger, I'd still expect it to be undone by the end of the show.
    One other thing I noticed that is noteworthy, is that the show is just Masters of the Universe: Revelation, with no mention of He-Man. So really, there was no promise of He-Man, in the title at least.
     
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  10. Unicron

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    I've been reading an interesting variety of opinions on several different venues, and Teela's handling is one of the main criticisms. And I don't think it's because many of those critics (the saner ones, anyway :D) think she's not worthy of being a main character or having new development, by any means. The problem is that some aspects of the scripts don't make a lot of sense from either a character development standpoint or a broader story standpoint.

    I mean, I get that Randor is understandably angry that Adam/He-Man is apparently dead and he didn't know the truth, but to take that anger out on Man-At-Arms and effectively banish him, on pain of death? And Teela likewise acting as if Adam keeping his secret is equivalent to always lying to her, when that's clearly not true?

    I rewatched the episodes today and I still enjoy way more of it than I have issues with. ;) I'm interested to see what the second half will reveal. But I do think there's some valid criticism in how some aspects of the characters are written, and I think Teela's arc could have been executed better in ways. I don't think the writing is totally awful, by any means, but at times it falters. Some of it feels a bit rushed to me. Some parts are quite good.

    I admit that in my rewatch today, some of the elements of Preternia as an afterlife concept don't entirely make sense to me, as shown. Is it meant to be only for the champions (sword bearers) of Grayskull or more of a general purpose heaven? The latter would explain why Moss Man is there, the former assumption not quite as much. Some fans have also criticized that Grayskull, He-Ro and other veteran champions don't seem overly interested in saving Eternia, which I can sort of understand. Another area where I felt the script could be improved, myself.

    As always, YMMV. :)
     
  11. Mr. Adventure

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    For me the good stuff started with Stratos, who seems to talk a lot, sounding like Sean Connery for no apparent reason.
     
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    Lol. I though he was dead! Looked like he was captured along with Adam but then he didn't appear in the episode again.
     
  13. Reverend

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    Kings can be like that. Also, if a King can't trust his most trusted servant to tell him the truth, especially about his son and heir (literally the most important thing to him, ever) then banishment on pain of death is the merciful choice. He could have ordered him executed on the spot.
    It clearly IS true; Adam even acknowledges it. It's not simply a lie of omission, there must have been dozens and dozens of incidents where the subject came up between them, like say "He-Man just saved the kingdom, and where were you hiding where all of this was going on!?" and Adam would play the fool. All of this would have gone on for YEARS by this point.
    And it's not just because he kept it from her, but that pretty much everyone around her was deemed worthy to be in on the secret *except* her. That's got to feel like distrust, disrespect, and dishonesty, which to a warrior with the whole code of honour thing is a pretty big deal. For it to all come out publicly and simultaneous with loosing her best friend right before her eyes must have been both humiliating and emotionally devastating.
     
  14. Mach5

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    As I was watching their confrontation in episode 5, I caught myself thinking "you're asking the wrong questions". It shouldn't be about him leading a double life so much as, so many other people being in on it, but not his closest friend. What I would ask is: "What was it that made ME unworthy?"
     
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  15. Reverend

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    I think that's the intended implication that's been eating at her, but she hasn't said it aloud yet because she's either afraid to admit it to herself, afraid of the answer, or because she thinks she already knows. Or all of those knotted into one ball of rage and insecurity.
    Somewhere deep down, she feels like she's unworthy somehow. The orphan girl, the one made into a playmate an minder for the soft, lazy prince, the one they all pity.
    She's wrong, and will likely find out exactly how wrong before the second part is complete, but we're not there yet.
     
  16. Mach5

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    Skelly getting jabbed in Mexico:

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    Mad props, Skelly.

    Get your shots, people.
     
  17. Skipper

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    It's interesting how much this mirrors the situation of Lois Lane from the Silver / Bronze Age. What was just a funny plot device now has become something akin to gaslighting. In fact, in every modern Superman reboot Lois discovers his secret identity almost immediately because modern authors know that it would be somewhat hypocritical for the one who considers himself the Champion of "Truth and Justice" to continue lying to his friends for no sensible reason. If someone wrote a direct sequel to the Silver Age Superman stories and Lois found out the truth, I'm sure she'd have a similar reaction to Teela's.
     
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  18. Skipper

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    I mean:
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    "Clark, do you really mindwipe people without their consent? Something that if others did you would call them 'criminals' and put them in jail?"
     
  19. Skipper

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    "And remember to always be honest and sincere with your friends! I'm obviously excluded, because I absolutely entitled to tell all the lies I want to my friends and my family.

    So, the second today moral lesson is 'Do as I say, not as I do', I suppose?"
     
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  20. Mach5

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    OK, so from an in-universe perspective... Why DID Adam keep Teela in the dark all that time?