Has there ever been a sequel so stupid you refused to accept it?

[Rett Mikhal]

We all know there's one name that instantly comes to mind in many sci-fi circles for this question.

For me, it has to be the blisteringly awful Alien 3. I have probably spent an entire day of my life arguing that the plot holes in the first minute of this movie are so utterly impossible that it can't happen! It's just pure magic!

Then killing off Hicks, Bishop and Newt? Wow, I'm so glad they just so barely survived so they could die in their sleep. Thanks for that.

The only thing Alien 3 does right is show that Bishop Weyland is alive in the 22nd century, thus making Alien vs Predator impossible... but the downside is you have to accept one or the other as canon. I choose neither, actually. Pretty sure Aliens were a new things in the 22nd century, and not in 2005... ON EARTH... I'm also pretty sure a super advanced COMPLETELY AUTONOMOUS ship like the USS Sulaco wouldn't freak out and go haywire over a small electrical fire... in one section of the ship... Then respond by ejecting the crew.

If I was a film maker, my entire mission in life would be making sequels to bad sequels that insist the previous movies were Dreams. Alien 5, Ripley wakes up and tells Hicks she had the dumbest dream of her life, and Hicks comments that's completely stupid. Alien vs Predator 3, Colonial marines in the 22nd century watch the first two godawful films and laugh at how bad they are, then comment they are just B-Movies made for five dollars and a bus pass.

So what are your personal demons in sequels?

 

[Hermiod]

Superman IV.

Just listen to the despair in Mark Rosenthal's voice on the DVD commentary. That movie was an insult to Christopher Reeve's memory before he even died.

Golan and Globus are in the documentaries in the big DVD set I have. They have no concept of what they did wrong.

 

[John Clark]

Starship Troopers 2 was pretty bad.

Actually, that doesn't quite cover my opinion but I'm not quite sure the forum could handle the phraseology necessary for me to properly say what I thought of it

 

[Can]

Terminator 3 , 4....

 

[Candlelight]

For me, it has to be the blisteringly awful Alien 3.

It was better than Alien Resurrection.

Yeah, I went there.

 

[Anwar]

I liked Alien 3.

 

[Davros]

The Highlander and Terminator sequals.

 

[Kelthaz]

All the Jim Carrey sequels that were made without Jim Carrey.

Ace Ventura Jr.
Son of the Mask.
Dumb and Dumberer.

 

[scnj]

Only ones I can think of right now are Star Trek 3 and Starship Troopers 2 and 3.

I really like Alien 3. And I thought 'Bishop Weyland' was just another Bishop android.

 

[TedShatner10]

Yes, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was pretty gash, as was Blade: Trinity. From what little I've seen of Starship Troopers: Marauder and from what I've heard about the first ST sequel those movies are up there as well. And lest we forget Jurassic Park 3 (that makes the unnecessary and plothole ridden The Lost World look good).

PotC: At World's End was pretty underwhelming too, though not as teeth grindingly awful as the other sequels mentioned, and I find the hate spewed on Dead Man's Chest a bit excessive as well.

 

[iguana_tonante]

I would say Highlander, Alien from 3 onward and The Matrix. Re-what?

 

[Jetfire]

The Matrix sequels.

 

[TedShatner10]

I would say Highlander, Alien from 3 onward and The Matrix. Re-what?

Personally I find Alien 3 underrated, much like PotC: Dead Man's Chest and the Star Wars prequels to a certain extent.

Highlander: The Quickening is a horrific trainwreck though, a disjointed and cheap mess that has a fixation with fans. Spoony One and sfdebris have both torn it several new anal passages.

 

[broberfett]

Alien 3 is full of suck. I really, really dislike that they kill Newt and Hicks in the opening credits. That just makes Ripley's struggle to save them a total waste of time at the end of Aliens. I don't like the bald Ripley thing. I don't like going back to one Alien again after they killed dozens, maybe over a hundred in Aliens.

All the Highlander sequels are pretty bad.

 

[Ethros]

For me the Robocop franchise begins and ends with the film 1987 Verhoeven film Robocop
Anything thing else with that name doesn't exist IMO

 

[Andrew_Kearley]

I'm tempted to say: the entirety of Space: 1999 series 2.

 

[Davros]

Starship Troopers 2 was pretty bad.

I don't even accept the original movie. Without powered armor it wasn't Starship Troopers.

 

[TedShatner10]

'Dey keel'd Hiks 'n Newt!'

Oh, and Jetfire's avatar reminds me of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, another rancid sequel I've tried to blot from my memory. And then there's Speed 2: Cruise Control, which was so horribly paced and unintentionally funny, and the completely vapid, unintelligible M:I-2.

 

[Starbreaker]

The Descent 2
Cabin Fever 2
Friday the 13th VII-X

 

[Gaith]

Since this is pretty much a redo of a recent similar thread in TV/M, I'll just quote my post from there...

The Mummy, which was royally screwed over by The Mummy Returns, immediately springs to mind.

Oh yeah. Evey as a reincarnated ancient princess was so stupid it took several years, Rachel Weisz's departure and a highly selective (though still ultimately mediocre) approach to continuity to continue the franchise.

X3, anyone? Killing three core X-cast members and de-powering your main villain? I know, I know, they could bring Xavier back via the clone and Magneto's powers too somehow, but just plain undoing the two biggest events of this movie in X4 would be almost as aggravating.

Jurassic Park III: Introduce a massive dino that no one had heard of (right), didn't show up in JP2 and should have eaten or killed all the Rexes by the time Grant and Co. arrived on Isla Sorna. Oh, and velociraptors talk, and are quite cuddly - good chaps, really, if you get to know them.

Episode I - giving Anakin a happy, trauma-free childhood and a loving mother pretty much ensured that his eventual fall wouldn't be psychologically credible.

Batman Begins - portraying Gotham as a modern, partly-futuristic city three or four times Manhattan's size with 1930s-style slums was so asinine that Nolan pretty much rebooted the entire cityscape for The Dark Night.

Harry Potter 5 (book and film) - Okay, so Fudge doesn't believe Voldy's back. Are there no opposition political parties to challenge that view? Are there no parliamentary inquiries? Is there even a legislature, or in the magical community an elected permanent dictatorship? Though containing nothing specifically franchise-killing, after four mostly fun and light introductory stories, HP5 was the point where Rowling's intellectual vacuity could no longer be doubted or ignored. That, and it sucked wampa toes.

Golden Compass, the film - agree with the above assessment. Moving the ending to the start of the second film would have been a tonal disaster, never mind setting up a Lyra/Asriel confrontation that the rest of the movie would entirely ignore.

Episode II - the Clone Wars were good clones vs. droids?! You've gotta be kidding me!

@ Hermiod: I agree that Terminator Salvation was terrible, but Connor and the resistance finished the movie pretty much exactly where they started, so I don't agree that it was necessarily a series-killer. If they made T5, chances are you could skip Salvation and not miss a single thing.