Gun range tragedy: 9 year old girl kills instructor with uzi

[Trekker4747]

ISIS trains kids that young to fire AK-47's in combat, and as so far as I am aware they haven't had many safety issues...

I'm sure there's a point you're going for here but I don't think that citing ISIS as an example children can handle guns is a good way to do it.

and I'm not sure the children have had many mental health issues about shooting infidels in the head, unless you classify children who relish shooting infidels in the head as some sort of problem.

I would think children growing up in a terrorist organization are a lot different, mentally, than children growing up in American suburbia when it comes to the value of life.


You're utterly insane if you think a perfectly normal 9-year-old girl who has grown up in an ordinary American home isn't going to suffer any mental issues after blowing a hole through the top of a man who was standing right next to her.

 

[Pingfah]

Jesus. Don't encourage him, nothing he says should be taken seriously, or given any consideration.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

No offense, but I think this Isis training children under 10 thing is only propaganda.
Experience teaches us that not everything a politician says is true (hmm, come to think of it... in fact it teaches us that political statements frequently are untrue)

 

[Pingfah]

Well ISIS are the ones claiming it's happening, not western politicans. I see no reason at all to suspect this wouldn't fall within acceptable practice for these nutters.

 

[Green Shirt]

Chuck Yeager shot his baby brother and turned out just fine.

Imagine what else he could have accomplished if he hadn't done that.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

Well ISIS are the ones claiming it's happening, not western politicans. I see no reason at all to suspect this wouldn't fall within acceptable practice for these nutters.

I think you are mistaken there.
You joined years after TrekBBS' infamous Troll Wars in 2001/2, so you have no firsthand experience with this phenomenon:
The trolls back then used precisely the same tactics as the isis PR-specialists: they claimed they had hacked people's accounts or broken into the Briefing Room threads and promptly everyone panicked. It resulted in a completely uncontrolled wich hunt in which many innocents got banned.
In fact, the trolls that had started the trouble didn't have the ability and computer knowledge to do what they claimed to have done. The BR threads got leaked out by incontent staff members and accounts suddenly unaccessible hadn't gotten hijacked but the owners had simply scrambled their own passwords, accidentially.

It's an old and well-tried tactics to claim you'd do terrible things. It makes your opponent insecure and gives you a psychological foothold.

For some reason Americans seem to be particularly vulnerable to psychiological warfare. Ever since 9/11 you practically just have to scream "boo" and they'll inevitably jump into cover. I don't mean to offend the US citizens but as a foreigner I have the impression that they handle terroristic acts too emotional and that weakens their position considerably, strategically speaking. Terrorists know this and therefore use the old scaring tactics on them. Successfully, as the current example proves.

 

[Pingfah]

Troll Wars? OK, whatever.

What am I mistaken about exactly? These people are not some maligned group of softies fighting Western oppression, they waging an ideological war to capture large areas of land land and violently subjugate the people living there. They ARE murdering vast swathes of people based on their religious beliefs, most of them Muslims.

This isn't in dispute. There's no reason to suspect they wouldn't indoctrinate children at such an early age, I would expect if of anybody trying to wage a longterm physical war of religious ideology. And it is absolutely fair to say that teaching kids to shoot guns and filling their heads with religious crap is absolutely nothing compared to some of the very well documented atrocities this group has been carrying out.

There's truth to what you say, but it isn't relevant to this situation. If you think these people aren't entirely capable of the acts they claim to carry out, you are being breathtakingly naive. It's not like child warfare is some line humans won't cross, it goes on all over the world, every single day.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Well ISIS are the ones claiming it's happening, not western politicans. I see no reason at all to suspect this wouldn't fall within acceptable practice for these nutters.

I think you are mistaken there.
You joined years after TrekBBS' infamous Troll Wars in 2001/2, so you have no firsthand experience with this phenomenon:
The trolls back then used precisely the same tactics as the isis PR-specialists: they claimed they had hacked people's accounts or broken into the Briefing Room threads and promptly everyone panicked. It resulted in a completely uncontrolled wich hunt in which many innocents got banned.
In fact, the trolls that had started the trouble didn't have the ability and computer knowledge to do what they claimed to have done. The BR threads got leaked out by incontent staff members and accounts suddenly unaccessible hadn't gotten hijacked but the owners had simply scrambled their own passwords, accidentially.

It's an old and well-tried tactics to claim you'd do terrible things. It makes your opponent insecure and gives you a psychological foothold.

For some reason Americans seem to be particularly vulnerable to psychiological warfare. Ever since 9/11 you practically just have to scream "boo" and they'll inevitably jump into cover. I don't mean to offend the US citizens but as a foreigner I have the impression that they handle terroristic acts too emotional and that weakens their position considerably, strategically speaking. Terrorists know this and therefore use the old scaring tactics on them. Successfully, as the current example proves.

It's kind of hard to take this post seriously when you fell so completely for gturner's ridiculous threadbaiting about ISIS and child soldiers, which has nothing to do with the OP.

Seriously, don't indulge him.

 

[Pingfah]

To be fair, we aren't discussing anything to do with the absurd tossery that guy was engaging in, although we have gone rather off topic I admit.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Her earlier post was responding to gturner directly.

No offense, but I think this Isis training children under 10 thing is only propaganda.
Experience teaches us that not everything a politician says is true (hmm, come to think of it... in fact it teaches us that political statements frequently are untrue)

If you guys want to continue the discussion that's cool, I just hate when he derails threads with his nonsense.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

Sorry Locutus. I really thought he was serious. I'm still not good enough at English to detect all traces of irony. (I'm fluent in Sarcastic, though )

 

[MacLeod]

I can't see how the parents can be held in anyway responsible, the child was under the care and instruction of an instructor. It's not unreasonable for the parents to assume that the instructor would know what he is doing.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I can't see how the parents can be held in anyway responsible, the child was under the care and instruction of an instructor. It's not unreasonable for the parents to assume that the instructor would know what he is doing.

Maybe not legally, but certainly the parents knew she was going to fire an uzi, and they were probably told that at some point it would be set to fully automatic.

There is no reason parents would have to let a child fire an uzi. Of course they are responsible. It's like giving her a chainsaw to use. Only worse.