Gotham - Season 1

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  1. Mr Light

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    I assume he survived at first.... until they showed him on the street with a puddle of strawberry jam surrounding his skull...
     
  2. JD

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    I enjoyed this one. I do agree that they way they did the flashbacks was a little weird. At first it seemed like they were just supposed to be what the bartender saw, but then they kept going. Milo Ventimiglia was a pretty good villain. I have to admit, I didn't actually expect Loeb to actually go so far, so the end was a pretty big shock for me. I'm curious how high up in the ranks they're going to have Gordon by the end. I'm assuming they're not going to pull Abramsverse Star Trek and have him jump right to Commissioner after he takes Loeb down. The thought did briefly cross my mind at the end, but I'm hoping they don't actually do that.

    I'm really hoping the end of this one means that Fish will finally be getting back into the thick of things in Gotham.
    I was kind of shocked that Penguin actually didn't kill the guitar player.
     
  3. The Old Mixer

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    And so Edward Nygma takes the first step towards his destiny of becoming...The Stabbler.
     
  4. Christopher

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    They're kinda rushing the villain-origins thing lately. Both Selina and Edward draw their first blood in two consecutive episodes. Even Barbara seems like she's unleashing her dark side. If she sees the Ogre as her soulmate and Jim kills him, will she swear revenge?

    The one thing this show is consistently getting right is Bruce. We've seen his intelligence, his compassion, and his commitment to justice over revenge, and now we see his firm refusal to take life. And he looks pretty darn debonair in a tux. There's so much about this show that's seriously screwed up, but I would like to see it last for the long haul just to see Bruce grow up.
     
  5. Mr. Adventure

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    If nothing else, Barbara has nice stems. I've liked this recent bit with Bruce and Selina, he finally seems to be more of a teen.


    He'll riddle you...full of holes.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    How Barbara smiled at the end, it's almost like they had agreed to be murder-buddies.
     
  7. The Old Mixer

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    Or she's into bondage and doesn't realize that he's into murder....
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    All the ultra rich are into bondage.
     
  9. Forbin

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    Selina's dress was kinda goofy. I was hoping for better.

    Barbara's kinky!

    Nigma snapped like a twig!

    Hey, don't kill the messen - never mind.
     
  10. Fist McStrongpunch

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    aw selina was adorable.
     
  11. Enterprise is Great

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    I've got a feeling that things will end badly for Barbara. They really don't need her character so I think she will be gone by the finale.
     
  12. Savage Dragon

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    It certainly seems to be going in that direction.
     
  13. Servo

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    I doubt it. Unless they are going to completely re-write history and remove her as the mother of Jim's future children.

    It's likely that she'll go down a bad road, but I'd be very, very surprised if they kill her off.
     
  14. Savage Dragon

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    I forgot about her being the mother. I'm not as up on Batman mythology as I should be.
     
  15. Christopher

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    DC completely rewrites history all the time, and Barbara Kean is no exception. The character was originally introduced in an alternate-universe story as Jim Gordon's fiancee and the implicit mother-to-be of Barbara "Batgirl" Gordon (hinted at because she was a redheaded librarian). When she was added to the then-mainstream continuity in Batman: Year One, she was the mother of Gordon's son, later established as James Gordon Jr., but due to the chronology of BYO, it was later established that Babs/Batgirl was actually Jim's niece (his brother's daughter, I think) whom he and his second wife Sarah Essen adopted. It was subsequently retconned that she was Jim's biological daughter through an affair with his sister-in-law, but I'm not sure that stuck, since the current DC wiki entry for the pre-2011 version of Barbara Gordon gives her parents as Roger and Thelma Gordon. As of The New 52, however, she's been retconned back to being the daughter of James and Barbara Eileen Gordon (whose maiden name is unestablished) and the biological sister of James Jr., with no Sarah Essen in sight.

    So Babs/Batgirl has had multiple different parentages: James and Thelma Gordon from 1967-1985 (more or less), Roger and Thelma Gordon (biological) and James and Sarah Gordon (adoptive) from 1985-2011, and James and Barbara Eileen Gordon from 2011 to the present. So there's no way in which Barbara Kean is immutably required to be her mother. Barbara Eileen (who seems to be the same character as Barbara Kean) was James Jr.'s mother in both the post-Crisis and New 52 universes (New Earth and Prime Earth as the wiki phrases it), but James Jr. didn't exist as a character prior to Batman: Year One.

    So really, the producers of Gotham aren't locked in at all when it comes to Jim's future family. They have various options to choose from within the comics, and they could invent their own new version as well. For all we know, Leslie Thompkins could be Barbara's mother in this universe, if the producers feel the chemistry between McKenzie and Baccarin is strong enough to add her as a regular.
     
  16. Servo

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    Fair enough.

    I'll still be surprised if they kill her off.
     
  17. Ol' Scratch

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    Sure, they could change any number of things. But they're not going to change this. There's zero concern over her fate prior to giving birth to their daughter, just like there's zero concern that Alfred is ever going to be killed off.
     
  18. Christopher

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    As I said, though -- Barbara Gordon has existed as a character for 48 years, but Barbara Kean has only been her mother for the past 1/12 of that span. So I don't know why you see it as some absolute, immutable thing. For most of her existence, Barbara Eileen Gordon's role in the comics was to be Jim's ex-wife. She's anything but the predestined love of his life. Her function is to be the person he cheated on and broke up with. And she and Jim broke up only a third of the way through the season, so it seems to me she was always meant to break up with him. They wouldn't have made her such a screwed-up character otherwise.
     
  19. Ol' Scratch

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    Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to convince yourself that you're an intellectual. The rest of the world know what's going on with the character and the show.
     
  20. Servo

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    Because people never break up and then get back together again further down the line, do they?

    Barbara could end up going down a dark path, and then Jim could be the one to pull her back from the brink, which rekindles their love for each other.