Good Thing about TMP related to XI

[VulcanJedi]

There are some good things about TMP, although overall I thought it was too slow, and too vague.

1. The bigness and hugeness of the ships, and the universe; good thing.

2. The terror; for example the potential terribleness of the transport going awry.

3. The darkness and terror of space and the opening scene with the Klingons. Well done.

These elements should be brought back; and from the looks of things they will be.

 

[Procutus]

VulcanJedi said:

1. The bigness and hugeness of the ships, and the universe; good thing.

Assuming that you mean TMP had more of an epic feel to it than all the others, I have to agree completely. Of all of them, it felt the most like a 'big' film, and had a lot of scope to it.

Yeah, I'm hoping for the same type of thing with J.J.'s version of Trek.

 

[Cranston]

VulcanJedi said:
There are some good things about TMP, although overall I thought it was too slow, and too vague.

1. The bigness and hugeness of the ships, and the universe; good thing.

2. The terror; for example the potential terribleness of the transport going awry.

3. The darkness and terror of space and the opening scene with the Klingons. Well done.

These elements should be brought back; and from the looks of things they will be.

I agree completely. Those are my favorite elements of TMP; even though the plot is recycled and the pacing is deathly slow at times, TMP is my favorite expression of the Trek universe.

And the transporter scene really messed me up when I first saw it as a kid....

(Although now whenever I watch that scene, I always imagine Rand's reaction to Kirk saying "There was nothing you could've done, Rand. It's not your fault.": "No kidding, you pushed me out of the way so that I couldn't do my job....)

 

[Stardate]

I agree also with Vulkanjedi remarks. There was a great scene in TMP when Kirk was giving a speech about their mission to almost the entire crew members. That gave us respective how large Enterprise is.
I hope J.J shows us his Enterprise in smilier fashion.

 

[Procutus]

Scott Hayden said:
I hope J.J shows us his Enterprise in smilier fashion.

I have the feeling that it's going to seem even larger.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If Trek XI has any music even half as cool as the Klingon Theme from TMP, I'd be all for it.

 

[Procutus]

Jerry Goldsmith's score for TMP was great all the way around. The Enterprise theme is one of my favorite pieces of music.

 

[Superman]

Cranston said:
(Although now whenever I watch that scene, I always imagine Rand's reaction to Kirk saying "There was nothing you could've done, Rand. It's not your fault.": "No kidding, you pushed me out of the way so that I couldn't do my job....)

You miss the point of the scene.

Kirk is the captain and a man of action. He couldn't help act as he did, and his motive for doing so was also to spare Rand the guilt of failing to save those being beamed in.

By pushing her out of the way, Kirk took away her responsibility, taking it on himself.

That's a proper captain and a great leader.

\S/

 

[Cranston]

Superman said:

Cranston said:
(Although now whenever I watch that scene, I always imagine Rand's reaction to Kirk saying "There was nothing you could've done, Rand. It's not your fault.": "No kidding, you pushed me out of the way so that I couldn't do my job....)

You miss the point of the scene.

Kirk is the captain and a man of action. He couldn't help act as he did, and his motive for doing so was also to spare Rand the guilt of failing to save those being beamed in.

By pushing her out of the way, Kirk took away her responsibility, taking it on himself.

That's a proper captain and a great leader.

\S/

No, that's a micromanager showing poor leadership.

It is an Admiral, who by his own admission is demonstrably out of touch with current technology, pushing a trained and experienced transporter chief out of the way in the middle of a crisis, and then failing to complete the transport successfully. She was doing her job, she had not frozen, and his jeopardizing the operation out of some misplaced sense of chivalry just in order to somehow spare her feelings is reckless in the extreme.

 

[Kinnison]

Exactly, as Bones points out to him later in the film.

 

[gastrof]

On the other hand, the ship's chief Engineer was also there, and couldn't save the beaming parties either.

Besides, as we know from the novel, the woman who was lost was Kirk's ex-wife, and he was ticked she got all the bath towels with his initials.

 

[Green Shirt]

gastrof said:
she got all the bath towels with his initials.

But those were the "J.R.K." towels, so he didn't care.

 

[Cranston]

gastrof said:
On the other hand, the ship's chief Engineer was also there, and couldn't save the beaming parties either.

True enough, but it did seem that Kirk was driving the whole thing -- "Boost your matter gain, we need more signal," and so forth.

klingongoat said:
But those were the "J.R.K." towels, so he didn't care.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

klingongoat said:

gastrof said:
she got all the bath towels with his initials.

But those were the "J.R.K." towels, so he didn't care.

I'm convinced that the "R" stood for "Romeo" and was Mitchell's nickname for Kirk ... based upon his skills in schmoozing the ladies.

 

[Data Holmes]

Cranston said:

Superman said:

Cranston said:
(Although now whenever I watch that scene, I always imagine Rand's reaction to Kirk saying "There was nothing you could've done, Rand. It's not your fault.": "No kidding, you pushed me out of the way so that I couldn't do my job....)

You miss the point of the scene.

Kirk is the captain and a man of action. He couldn't help act as he did, and his motive for doing so was also to spare Rand the guilt of failing to save those being beamed in.

By pushing her out of the way, Kirk took away her responsibility, taking it on himself.

That's a proper captain and a great leader.

\S/

No, that's a micromanager showing poor leadership.

It is an Admiral, who by his own admission is demonstrably out of touch with current technology, pushing a trained and experienced transporter chief out of the way in the middle of a crisis, and then failing to complete the transport successfully. She was doing her job, she had not frozen, and his jeopardizing the operation out of some misplaced sense of chivalry just in order to somehow spare her feelings is reckless in the extreme.

I always took it that both kirk and scott knew that there was no hope, so he knew there was nothing rand could do. That's why he did that, it was a no win situation. His choice was to bear the brunt of it's effects and save rand from second guessing herself down the line.