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Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generations

Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

Awesome!

We shall know no limits and shall walk among the stars as gods!
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

They continue to isolate genes responsible for human speech and intelligence, and aside from curing mental defects, putting them inside other animals such as dogs, whales, and bears should provide tremendous scientific insights, not to mention the economic gains from creating intelligent cows, sheep, and pigs that could take over many tedious farm chores.
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

"My master made me this collar, so that I may tal... SQUIRREL!"
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

What does a "gene for speech" mean? Genes code for proteins, sometimes multiple proteins per gene. There's no way that a single gene could be responsible for speech, and by splicing a gene into one animal would make that creature capable of something it couldn't do before.
 
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The last thing we need to do is make animals more intelligent than they are.
 
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Indeed. We're having a hard enough time making HUMANS more intelligent.
 
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I'm just afraid that if we make animals too intelligent, they'll start to fight back. Have you never seen Planet of the Apes?!
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

Y'all better hope dolphins never end up with opposable digits. Or that giant squid become super-intelligent.
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

So what would it actually take to genetically engineer a monster? Or at least a brand new lifeform? How extensive is our gene manipulating technology?
 
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It's not extensive enough to make macro-scale monsters. It's just as likely we'd make something that dies while gestating or shortly after birth than something that would both survive and be a threat to us.
 
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One of the potentially scariest genetic engineering things I've thought of (playing with the idea to see if it would make a good science fiction plot) is to take poison genes from things like the Australian funnel-web spider, various super-venemous snakes, sea creatures, etc and insert those genes into a common biting insect pest, perhaps fleas, bedbugs, mosquitos, or biting flies.

The basic story could use either a deranged or pissed off researcher, or someone who's trying to develop a more productive way to produce lab-quantities of a venom for hospital treatments. Either way, a new and extremely lethal insect-borne plague is unleashed, leading straight to a post-apocalyptic setting for the rest of the story.
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

If you transplant the genes that code for the venom proteins, you also need the genes that code for the development of venom glands, and whatever delivery system the venom is deployed with. And the hybrid creature has to be immune to its own venom, too, or at least protected from it. That's a lot of genetic code to splice into an animal. And how would the newly introduced genes interact with the pre-existing genome, and the proteome? Wouldn't do any good if somehow the venom was neutralized before it could be expressed.
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

Good questions. I recall that my first thought was that they would enhance an already venemous species, such as a honeybee, but those just aren't quite aggressive enough. Perhaps fire ants? A mosquito would probably be the worst pest, but they don't have any kind of existing venom system at all.

However, you're entire comment could go right into the script! Just start it with Jeff Goldblum's character: and put the rest in quote marks. :D
 
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Feel free to use it in whatever you're working on.
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

What does a "gene for speech" mean? Genes code for proteins, sometimes multiple proteins per gene. There's no way that a single gene could be responsible for speech, and by splicing a gene into one animal would make that creature capable of something it couldn't do before.

Yes, saying "gene for speech" is simplistic, but it's closer to reality than you might think. A couple of years ago I met a guy who studies the vocalization of songbirds. He has found that the difference between birds that can learn new songs and sounds, and those that can't is due to the expression pattern of one gene, FoxP2, in the brain. In fact, song-learning birds, humans, and other species that can learn and imitate sounds all have specific features in the promoter of FoxP2 that other species don't have. Of course, the ability to speak requires physical adaptations in the tongue, larynx, etc. and such, but the ability to learn and imitate sounds seems to be mostly, if not entirely, due to the expression pattern of FoxP2, so one could make the argument for FoxP2 being the "gene for speech".

As for the OP, what these guys did isn't exactly change genes. What they did replace the mitochondria,which has its own genome separate from the nuclear genome. For those non-biologists out there, mitochondria are essentially the powerplant of the cell. Evolutionarily, it's pretty well accepted that mitochondria were originally bacteria that developed a symbiotic relationship with eukaryotic cells and eventually just became part of the cell. For this reason, they still retain their own small genome to make some of it's own proteins, and the genes there look more like bacterial genes than what's in the nuclear genome. There are a few diseases caused by genetic problems in the mitochondrial genome, which these scientist were trying to fix. In the normal way of combining an egg and sperm, the resulting embryo has a blend of nuclear DNA from the two parents, but the mitochondria comes from the mother. Essentially what these scientists did was combine the nuclear DNA from a sperm and egg, but replace the mitochondria with that of a third individual.
 
Re: Geneticists Breach Ethical Taboo By Changing Genes Across Generati

I thought FoxP2 was related to neuroplasticity. Still, interesting...thanks for that. I'm going to read more about it.
 
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