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"Future" events/references from other series that you wanted to see in ENT?

Ragitsu

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Good morning.

Was there any historical event hinted at or outright explained in TOS, TNG, DS9 or VOY that you thought should have been shown in ENT?

I can think of two (spoilers ahead...one minor and one major).

1. In The Next Generation, there's a reference to Andorians that, while not explicitly set in the twenty-second century, would have been done justice by the makeup artists of Enterprise.

WORF: "Captain, a search of the Ranian system has determined that the hostile force that attacked this planet is no longer present."
PICARD: "I remember a Starfleet admiral once saying the same thing about some renegade Andorians in the Triangulum system. It turns out that they had dismantled their ship and hidden it."
WORF: "Those Andorians did not have to contend with someone of my thoroughness. I will stake my reputation."

Shran is ballsy enough and creative enough to pull off such a stunt, yes? Of course, the lead Andorian in question need not necessarily be Shran.

2. Again, another The Next Generation link: Berlinghoff Rasmussen. It is eventually revealed that this supposed historian from the twenty-six century was in actuality a failed inventor from the twenty-second century. We could have seen Archer and company roped into stopping him by the time cops (and failing to do so) or perhaps we discover that he managed to somehow bust out of a Federation prison (perhaps via hitherto unknown confederates?) and returned home.
 
2. Again, another The Next Generation link: Berlinghoff Rasmussen. It is eventually revealed that this supposed historian from the twenty-six century was in actuality a failed inventor from the twenty-second century. We could have seen Archer and company roped into stopping him by the time cops (and failing to do so) or perhaps we discover that he managed to somehow bust out of a Federation prison (perhaps via hitherto unknown confederates?) and returned home.

I've always thought this an interesting potential link. I wonder if it was ever followed up on in a novel/short story/comic/fan film/video game.
 
Meeting the ancestor of Elizabeth Dehner and witnessing her ESP abilities. In light of learning about the Hoshi Sato is an Esper theory, it could have made for an interesting episode tying into TOS.

Chulak. I don’t mean watching the Battle of Galorndon Core where he loses. But more about the life of this legend, since he’s the only Romulan from the ENT & TOS eras mentioned by name, which is highly unusual; the names of Romulan commanders tend to go unmentioned. Being compared to Napoleon is a big deal, and I imagine a number of future Romulan commanders were under his tutelage prior to the hundred campaigns the Romulans waged after the Romulan War ended that was referenced in ‘Balance of Terror’. A nice tie in to both Voyager and TOS.

A younger Giuseppina Pentangeli - seeing her start out in her career in opera and making a stop in San Francisco would have been a good connection to Voyager

Liam Dieghan and the Neo-Transcendentalists – seeing how it would have been perceived in that era, only a few decades removed from its founding, and it being influential to human colonists centuries later. A tie in to TOS, TNG, and DS9.
 
I always wanted to see the "real" ECS Kobayashi Maru. It would have been the best finale ever. Have your finale episode (NOT "These Are the Voyages"), but then Enterprise gets a distress signal... and it's the one from Wrath of Khan's opening. Archer orders an intercept course, we see Enterprise warp away and roll credits. Fans would debate the fate of Enterprise NX-01 forever.
 
Ragitsu, I don't know if you are able to edit or delete your posts or not yet, but if you can, can you please delete all of Normansof's spam post that you quoted? I can nuke a spammer from orbit, but since I'm not a mod in this forum, I can't edit your post to remove it myself.

Just to be clear, you didn't do anything wrong and it's no big deal if you can't edit it out; if so we'll just wait for the forum mod to get here.

Thanks.:)
 
I took the liberty of editing Ragitsu's post just now. This is something I (and other staff here) very rarely do, but spam posts with dodgy links are not something we want to see quoted for posterity.

My apologies for altering your post, Ragitsu.
 
The Earth-Romulan War.
The crazy thing is that the Battle of Galorndon Core, Battle of Sol, Battle of Vorkado, and Battle of Cheron are all canon battles of the Earth-Romulan War. They’ve just never been visualised on screen before.

All that would have been needed in the fifth season of Enterprise was those four battles at minimum. It could have covered the conflict in satisfactory detail.
 
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I would have liked to see the Enterprise crew see a transporter used for the first time and be amazed at the exotic futuristic technology that was far beyond anything Starfleet could do. And that shouldn't have changed.

Shuttles, grapplers, and spatial torpedoes should have remained the Federation norm throughout the series.
 
Not sure why everyone is so hot on the Romulan War. Star Trek is NOT Star Wars.

So far we've had the Borg conflict, unending strife with the Klingons and Cardassians, the Dominion war and countless other skirmishes and engagements, random encounters leading to movies (Beyond, Into Darkness, The Khan-flict, so on...)

Enough already.

Star Trek is supposed to be about Boldly Going where no one has gone before. I was highly disappointed that Discovery immediately dove into Yet Another War involving Klingons. Same with Picard. Lower Decks has the background threat of Something Something Packleds.

Enough. Wars and time-travel are Star Trek's two go-to story ideas for storytelling, and it need not be.
 
Not sure why everyone is so hot on the Romulan War. Star Trek is NOT Star Wars.

So far we've had the Borg conflict, unending strife with the Klingons and Cardassians, the Dominion war and countless other skirmishes and engagements, random encounters leading to movies (Beyond, Into Darkness, The Khan-flict, so on...)

Enough already.

Star Trek is supposed to be about Boldly Going where no one has gone before. I was highly disappointed that Discovery immediately dove into Yet Another War involving Klingons. Same with Picard. Lower Decks has the background threat of Something Something Packleds.

Enough. Wars and time-travel are Star Trek's two go-to story ideas for storytelling, and it need not be.

One big reason I couldn't stand DS9 was the Dominion War in later seasons...along with that vaunted continuity that people endlessly praise; the last few seasons were war, war and more war.
 
One big reason I couldn't stand DS9 was the Dominion War in later seasons...along with that vaunted continuity that people endlessly praise; the last few seasons were war, war and more war.

Discovery started out with a war, dove into a war in the Mirrorverse, came back to a war, ended that war then started another one with Control, then ended THAT war with time-travel. I am honestly shocked that they didn't jump right into another war entirely.
 
Discovery started out with a war, dove into a war in the Mirrorverse, came back to a war, ended that war then started another one with Control, then ended THAT war with time-travel. I am honestly shocked that they didn't jump right into another war entirely.

I'll take your word for it. Because of other stories I have heard about Discovery, I have yet to watch a single episode of that series. The fact that Discovery too isn't immune to this fixation on war is further incentive for me to keep away.
 
I'll take your word for it. Because of other stories I have heard about Discovery, I have yet to watch a single episode of that series. The fact that Discovery too isn't immune to this fixation on war is further incentive for me to keep away.

Believe me, I stopped watching after the resolution of the Control arc. From what I gather from episode summaries and fan-talk around the internet as well as press releases and the like... I'm really not missing anything. The show is basically "SJW Team Action Force 31st Century Go!" and if even a fraction of what I hear is true, that ain't my Star Trek.

Nor is the endless war and time travel. I watched Star Trek to dream of a better tomorrow, not a future in which Humanity is at war with everything every other week and everything else on the off-weeks.
 
Believe me, I stopped watching after the resolution of the Control arc. From what I gather from episode summaries and fan-talk around the internet as well as press releases and the like... I'm really not missing anything. The show is basically "SJW Team Action Force 31st Century Go!" and if even a fraction of what I hear is true, that ain't my Star Trek.

Nor is the endless war and time travel. I watched Star Trek to dream of a better tomorrow, not a future in which Humanity is at war with everything every other week and everything else on the off-weeks.

The problem is, at some point, someone said "Why don't we make Star Trek darker and edgier? All of this advancement is 'unrealistic'." and that stuck. The films haven't helped matters either (YMMV on their overall level of quality, but they did pander to the lowest common denominator that finds action more readily digestible). As I mentioned elsewhere, I'd rather what optimistic fiction we have stay that way: optimistic.
 
Not sure why everyone is so hot on the Romulan War. Star Trek is NOT Star Wars.

So far we've had the Borg conflict, unending strife with the Klingons and Cardassians, the Dominion war and countless other skirmishes and engagements, random encounters leading to movies (Beyond, Into Darkness, The Khan-flict, so on...)

Enough already.

Star Trek is supposed to be about Boldly Going where no one has gone before. I was highly disappointed that Discovery immediately dove into Yet Another War involving Klingons. Same with Picard. Lower Decks has the background threat of Something Something Packleds.

Enough. Wars and time-travel are Star Trek's two go-to story ideas for storytelling, and it need not be.

You mean like in TOS, where the Federation and Klingons briefly go to war in one episode and wage proxy wars against each other in another?

Or TNG, which featured a Klingon civil war, and we learn later on that the Federation has been engaged in a border war with the Cardassians all this time in the background that morphs into a Cardassian conflict with the Maquis?

Or DS9, which starts after the end of the Occupation, then sees a Klingon-Federation war, a Klingon-Cardassian War and then the Dominion War? And the Terran rebels against the Alliance in the mirror universe?

Or Voyager, which sees a war between the Borg and Species 8472?

Or Enterprise, which had the Vulcan-Andorian conflict in the background, a season focused on the Xindi conflict, and the Temporal Cold War over the course of four seasons? That latter becoming known as the Temporal Wars in Discovery, a series that though that the Trek franchise need yet another Klingon war?

War is a part of the franchise, just like Star Wars. However, Star Wars, after a passing mention of the Clone Wars in A New Hope, has addressed it in the prequel movies and a tv series and then moved on to other stories. While Star Trek has basically approached the Romulan War as 'there was a major war many years ago and the Romulans have hated the Federation ever since…moving on.' Yes, Moonves cancel the show before Enterprise got to it. But when both Coto and Berman wanted to tell a Romulan War story, albeit with different visions, clearly there’s a story to be told here.

Fact is, we know of four key battles (Galorndon Core, Sol, Vorkado, & Cheron). We know of important figures (Chulak, the Stiles family, the Romulan captain who inspired the photonic shockwave maneuver that the Doctor would reference two centuries later in “Workforce”) that took part. We know that it ends in the alliance of Earth/Vulcan/Andoria/Tellar, meaning that the Coalition of Planets as depicted at the end of S4 has to fall apart, although how is not clarified. We know that Alpha Centauri is a separate signatory from United Earth to the Federation, although we don’t know why. We know that Remans were a subject species of the Romulan Empire, and that at least one species seen in TNG – the Corvallens – operated near the Romulan border. We know that the Romulans are engaged in hundreds of campaigns on their side of the Neutral Zone over the next 100 years in the aftermath of the war and they were armed with atomic weapons upon their re-emergence to the Federation that they did not seem to have in Enterprise. And we know that among the dozens of worlds located in the Neutral Zone, one of them was the Iconian homeworld. All of this being alpha canon, and not beta canon.

And based on what we know that was planned for the fifth season of Enterprise, a visit to Stratos/Ardana for zenite and T’Pol being revealed to be half-Romulan does fit into the story. Plus, Romulans were originally supposed to be depicted as honor bound in the TOS movies, before they were depicted as engaging in deception and as a cerebral enemy for the Federation in TNG. And with the Romulans being a vulcanoid species, it opens up the possibility that they did visit the Delphic Expanse years before Archer (maybe looking for kamacite), but left due to trellium-D exposure, thereby opening a possible connection with the the Xindi conflict and the the Romulan war. And while we don't actually know if Station Salem One was the same starbase as Starbase 1, it would make sense if its destruction was the Pearl Harbor-level bloody preamble to war that was referenced by Picard.

And you don’t see the opportunity for exploration in the Romulan War setting? And to weave all of this history together in one coherent narrative?
 
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