Fox continues to f*** up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

[bigdaddy]

Look at Fox's new fucked up schedule!

Mondays, beginning Feb. 7
8 p.m. HOUSE
9 p.m. THE CHICAGO CODE (series premiere)


Tuesdays, beginning Feb. 8:
8 p.m. GLEE
9 p.m. RAISING HOPE
9 p.m. MIXED SIGNALS (series premiere)
Wednesday, Jan. 19:
8 p.m. AMERICAN IDOL (two-hour season premiere, part one)
Wednesdays, beginning Jan. 26:
8 p.m. AMERICAN IDOL
9 p.m. HUMAN TARGET
Wednesdays, beginning Feb. 16:
8 p.m. AMERICAN IDOL (two-hour episodes)
Wednesdays, beginning April 6:
8 p.m. AMERICAN IDOL (90-minute episodes)
9:30 p.m. BREAKING IN (series premiere)
Thursdays, beginning Jan. 6:
8 p.m. MILLION DOLLAR MONEY DROP
9 p.m. BONES
Thursdays, beginning Jan. 20:
8 p.m. AMERICAN IDOL (season premiere, part two)
9 p.m. BONES (time period premiere)

Friday, Jan. 21:
8 p.m. KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
9 p.m. KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
Fridays, beginning Jan. 28:
8 p.m. KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
9 p.m. FRINGE (time period premiere)
Sunday, Jan. 9:
8 p.m. THE SIMPSONS
8 p.m. BOB’S BURGERS
9 p.m. FAMILY GUY
9 p.m. THE CLEVELAND SHOW
Sunday, Jan. 16 and 23:
7 p.m. THE SIMPSONS
7 p.m. AMERICAN DAD
8 p.m. THE SIMPSONS
8 p.m BOB’S BURGERS
9 p.m FAMILY GUY
9 p.m. THE CLEVELAND SHOW

Human Target gets a post American Idol spot?!?! What the fuck is that?!?! Fringe is moving from one death slot to another. Bones on at 9pm?!?! So stupid Fox!

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[Starbreaker]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

This ought to be good for Fringe, actually. It's not going to be up against major competition.

 

[Jax]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Serious FOX not 9pm FFS...if your going to move it to fridays then put it a 8pm FOR THE LOVE OF LORD . Leadout Kitchen Nightmares is going to offer little support and the 18-49 demo gets lower per hour on friday night not to mention no one has a lock at the 8pm slot.

This will not only kill off FRINGE on FOX but the ratings wll drop so low, that no other network like NBC will consider a pickup once FOX dump it. One of the best shows in recent memor is heading for Twin Peaks land...NO ENDING to a great story all because FOX moved it last year to thursdays...Human Target BLOWS and gets the Idol slot.

As for Bones it will drop in that slot and the cheaper reality show would be the better choice for the slot. FOX you fucked up Fringe don't you dare fuck up Bones too.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Jesus Christ, even on Fridays when it's performing well, Supernatural can't get a break. They're moving Fringe against Supernatural again??????

^%#@@!#%(*#^&#!@$%&^(&*!!!!!!

Of course, Smallville once again gets off free.

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

There's no use in complaining about scheduling. It just happens.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

I still can complain, makes me feel better. :-p

And I was hoping Fringe would get one more season and then a burn off on Friday night.

Plus once again Friday at 8pm is OKish, have a shitty lead in and the later you go the more likely everyone will be out getting fucked.

And Jax no one was gonig to be picking up the show anyways, so it doesn't make a difference.

 

[Jax]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

I read it wrong, Bones after 2 weeks will get Idol as a lead in so CSI/Greys are going to feel the solid hit "Bones" coming up behind them. TBBT against IDOL, well thats interesting and

TBBT will take a hit but will probably remain pretty strong against what is basically the result's episode of Idol. However a small hit may not hurt TBBT but My Dad Says is probably going to feel it and it won't get a 2nd season in the current slot.

If FOX was serious about fridays it would be Fringe/Human Target combo. Our only hope now is Fringe holds on to mosti ts current audience and FOX decide to let in anchor friday nights next season for 13 episodes because they got nothing else for that night.

most likely though Fringe will drop to below 3 million and around a 1.1 demo and never finish its amazing story enter TWIN PEAKS fate.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

I think Fringe will be getting a 2.75ish total range.

Human Target after American Idol makes no sense at all! Why not have a new show after it?!

Also Bones will still see a hit, Idol lead out/in means nothing on the result show.

 

[mswood]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Actually its an incredible smart move for Fox. Glee has proven it can lead its own night and doesn't need Idol, and Fox has always wanted traction on Thursday, and Idol does just that. As far as moving Fringe to friday, while it might suck for fans off the show its a very smart choice for Fox. Fox doesn't produce Fringe, they get no long term benefit from teh show, its a serialized show meaning typically it will lose viewers over the years faster then a typical soap or cop show.

Fox had originally hoped that Frigne would be the next lost, even giving it Idol for a season to try and get the largest audience possible, but Fox the company would much rather have one of its shows benefit from that then another companies product.

Now of course Kitchen Nightmares does ok in young viewers, but the 9pm hour has a higher HUT level (even on Friday) so it actually has a better shoot at getting an audience at 9pm then at 8pm. And of course the level of audience that is required to generate a renewal is lower on Friday.

Of course the bad news is that Fringe isn't cheap, at all, and that it can't do a dollhouse and expect to stay alive with 1.3, in fact I think it probably needs a 1.5 at the very worst to stay alive. Most shows typically dropped 20% - 30% in moving to Friday. So it frankly depends on how many people watch live (remember your dvr isn't going to save this show).

And now finally Poster Child of the CW Vampire Diaries finally gets legitimate challenge in young demos. I want to see Idol crush it.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Fringe did twice as well after House than it's doing now, and twice as better than any show that was ever after House since.

Fox treated it like shit, it is better than Lost, and they blew it by sticking it in the worst timeslot possible.

Like Jax said Fringe then Human Target on Fridays would make the most sense, having Human Target on after AI is just a waste.

 

[mswood]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Actually it isn't Human Target has never had the benefit of being after Idol, this will allow Human Target (for at least a couple episodes, they only have 13 total) to get the largest possible sampling. Putting HUman Target on Friday at 8pm will absolutely kill it. You aren't doing that show any favors.

But the odds are both shows are dead in the water anyway.

The simple fact is that Fox knew last year that in another year they were going to have an extra four hours filled on their schedule (with X-Factor, and the the scifi drama), that means they carried over a lot of shows that under normally circumstances would have been cancelled, two of those shows were Human Target and Fringe.

Seriously people who say Fox is treating Fringe like shit are seriously not looking at this as a business model. Fox has two primary goals for the network (and lets be clear their goal is to the network not to a show), and thats perform well on your broadcast and then make product that well pay dividends down the road outside of the primetime network broadcast.

Since Fox doesn't own any part of Fringe, all other avenues of income that tv make don't do Fox anything.

If they have a show that does worse then Fringe, but does ok in DVD sales, international sales or has strong prospects for cable syndication, then the network (and parent company) is bound to support that show over something like Fringe. As those avenues in general is where tv shows actually make a profit.

 

[sidious618]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Fringe was in a shitty timeslot so this may actually help it. I'm 50/50 on the move myself. We'll just have to see.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Fringe was in a shitty timeslot so this may actually help it. I'm 50/50 on the move myself. We'll just have to see.

I would me almost OK with it, but knowning Fox they won't play any adds and like Jax said, if they were serious baout this Human Target would go on at 8 or 9 with Fringe instead of some new shit show.

 

[mswood]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Fringe was in a shitty timeslot so this may actually help it. I'm 50/50 on the move myself. We'll just have to see.

I would me almost OK with it, but knowning Fox they won't play any adds and like Jax said, if they were serious baout this Human Target would go on at 8 or 9 with Fringe instead of some new shit show.

But Kitchen Nightmares will probably do better then Human Target which is a fairly weak show.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Fringe was in a shitty timeslot so this may actually help it. I'm 50/50 on the move myself. We'll just have to see.

I would me almost OK with it, but knowning Fox they won't play any adds and like Jax said, if they were serious baout this Human Target would go on at 8 or 9 with Fringe instead of some new shit show.

But Kitchen Nightmares will probably do better then Human Target which is a fairly weak show.

I doubt that, Human Target still got better ratings than Hell's Kitchen.

 

[Jax]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Hell Kitchen and Fringe audience's do NOT relate but Fringe/Human Target probably share a greater crossover of audiences. The problem will be the people who will watch CSI NY at 9pm, Fringe is going to loss its older viewers to CBS and younger viewers who aren't even in to watch the TV.

I will carry on watching Fringe because its my favourite thing on TV at the moment but its dead 100% on FOX.

 

[mswood]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Yes Human Target's Wednesday numbers were larger then Kitchen Nightmare's Friday numbers. But you expect that, Human Targets numbers if they moved to Friday would have dropped. The question is how far. It opened to a mere 1.7 during that M-Thursday period where far, far more people watch TV then Friday. So the question is how much would that have dropped going to Friday. Just to be conservative say 20%, that would put Human Targets start at about a 1.4, and thats being conservative. Kitchen Nightmares on Friday averaged a 1.6 (and should of course be lower this year) I would say it probably should drop down to a 1.4.

Also Human Target will only have a couple of episode left when all this starts taking place, so its not really an issue with Fringe. Its either shove a rerun as a lead in (like Kitchen Nightmares had last year, which is the worst thing you can do to a show), or put one of Fox's mid season shows (typically filler shows, and shows with lower expectations) to use as lead in. Putting a new show on Friday would absolutely be stupid, as Friday has the worst record of new shows actually finding an audience of any day of the week except Saturday. So putting a reality show that had some modest returns with no lead in last year, in the hour is probably the best option Fox had. It sucks if you are a fan of Fringe, but if you are a network executive you look at whats the better move for the full schedule, and that makes sense.

I mean seriously I am a huge fan of Supernatural and we aired almost are entire run on Thursday at 9pm (we had 16 episodes on Tuesday at 9pm on their first season), and then we moved to Friday and most of the fans didn't bitch or complain about it.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Moving Supernatural is completely different. Everyone thought it was the final season anyways, and Cw has faith in it.

Fox has treated Fringe like shit. It should have been moved back to after House as soon as Lone Star failed. Fox doesn't care about Fringe.

So Fox is ditching Frunge on Fridays when CW was actually trying to make a night with Smallville and Sypernatural.

 

[mswood]

Re: Fox continues to fuck up! (Aka Fringe is as good as dead!)

Big Daddy

CW moved Supernatural and Smallville originally for one reason, and one reason alone. They don't get the target adult 18-34 demos that the network thrives on, let alone w 18-34. Both earn enough outside of broadcast that when you add into the fact that the CW doesn't have enough shows to cover 5 days allowed them to live a longer life (both will probably end with having spent two years on Friday).

FOX is a completely different beast, they know that the have a short term problem with this year, but already have a full schedule for next year. There isn't going to be saving of shows (if there is I would be extremely surprised) that are under performing (perhaps one).

You can't open a new show on a Friday and expect it to perform (heck even CBS's Blue Bloods is questionable for next season and its had the strongest start for a show on Friday in several years).

Human Target, Lie to Me, and Fringe were the marginal players last year that all some how dodged a bullet to get some form of pickup. Lie to Me will have two or three episodes left when the Schedule changes, Human Target will have two or three episodes left when the schedule changes. The are just place holders.

Fox has a new medical show and they are programming it with a medical show, seems reasonable to me? And again they can't put it on Friday if they want it to have any chance to survive (chances aren't good to start with but on Frida they are almost zero for a new show).

Tuesday they have Glee (which is kicking ass) and a half hour comedy, thus they need another half hour comedy.

Wednesday they have Idol, with they have a two episode window open, thats all, the rest is Idol with either two hour blocks or 90 minute blocks, meaning they need another comedy, and they have one. So There is no hour long spot open on either Tuesday or Wednesday.

With Thursday Fox is using Idol to see if they can grab a third night as the number one network, that is huge for the network. Huge, I can't explain how important that would be to Fox. They have Bones and Fringe. One has been in many different days and timeslots and has delivered consistently solid ratings and is owned by Fox, the other is Fringe though well regarded hasn't performed well, is serialized and thus looks to have a harder time then Bones in getting new viewers, and they don't own Fringe. Whats a network to do? Its simple you keep the property that is going to meet both requirements of given the strongest broadcast ratings (which on paper should be Bones) and the one that will generate long term money for the network, and that is also Bones).

That leaves you with Kitchen Nightmares which was a modest demo performer last year without an original show airing with it, and Fringe a show that appears to have a devoted fan base.

While its true that Fox has no long term need for Fringe to survive, they would like the possibility of even getting a hold of Friday, with Kitchen Nightmares and Fringe that probably wont happen (but its really there only legitimate scheduling option again as news shows fail at a higher rate on Friday then any other day of the week) but they could move up to 2nd or third, which is certainly better then dead last. They are currently losing to the CW, that isn't something any network is ever going to like. If Fringe's audience can hold a certain level of viewers, I think the show has a slim shot (especially if Fringe is profitable to Warners and they are willing to cut back a little on the license fee). The whole point is how far does the show drop. It's 1.7 and 1.8 and 1.9 were going to get it cancelled on Thursdays (Fox had too many new shows next year to keep it), but what level is workable for Fridays. I would guess a 1.5 or better is needed to stay alive on a Friday. And that isn't likely (with typical Friday drops), but it isn't impossible (SN only dropped a little over 10% so far in its move and thats with two weeks of preemptions really cutting into its audience). So it is possible that Fringe can hold its audience.

Because Fox doesn't need Fringe. There is no legitimate business reason to promote Fringe over news shows that the studio owns, to a product a rival studio owns. Fringe has always had that against them, and that isn't Fox fault.

 

[Takeru]

And now finally Poster Child of the CW Vampire Diaries finally gets legitimate challenge in young demos. I want to see Idol crush it.

Why? The Vampire Diaries is awesome, I don't want it to be crushed, it's my favourite show after Fringe this season.