News Foundation Adaptation Series Officially Ordered by Apple

[oldtrekkie]

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The story opens with Trantor at its height so Friday will be the night to see it. I'm actually more interested in the later visit to ruined Trantor to see the library.

It would not be a library of paper books though... but of something sophisticated and futuristic.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Microfiche?

 

[oldtrekkie]

Microfiche?

It might have been acceptable back in Asimov's days but now we know better.



I'd say information stored at the molecular level, at least.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

We'll all be wired into the galactic internet by implanted tech, is my expectation. Direct interface with the brain's sensorium would mean we'd rarely have to travel physically anywhere. Then it's a short step to being a near immortal brain in a jar. Not really very exciting for character-driven fiction though.

 

[Christopher]

You've kind of seen it already in Star Wars films. Except for the vast doming of large areas of the planet-city. They almost have to do something a little different with Foundation so as to not look like copying.

Yeah... one more case of a thing Star Wars copied being accused of copying Star Wars. See also John Carter.

 

[Marc]

But that doesn't work. Trantor from space is just a hull with no features, its splendor is totally internal.

Wasn't the imperial gardens (mentioned in Foundation and Empire iirc and had the gardener who didn't want to be take away from it) the exception?

or maybe that it was just the biggest open space on the planet.

 

[FPAlpha]

It might have been acceptable back in Asimov's days but now we know better.



I'd say information stored at the molecular level, at least.

Star Trek's Picard had a neat idea exactly like this with the quantum storage facility he visits, very cool logical continuation of the energy=mass and vice versa principle that drives replicators.

 

[wayoung]

Trantors existence in the books fluctuates in ways that don't make sense anyway. From an all city planet mostly underground that's all metal on the surface to a farming planet in a couple hundred years.

 

[Christopher]

Star Trek's Picard had a neat idea exactly like this with the quantum storage facility he visits, very cool logical continuation of the energy=mass and vice versa principle that drives replicators.

Replicators don't convert energy to mass. If they did, then per E=mc^2, it would take twice the United States' entire annual energy consumption to replicate one sandwich. They merely rearrange molecules from a raw matter stock to fit a stored pattern. They're basically transporter-based 3D printers.

 

[FPAlpha]

Replicators don't convert energy to mass. If they did, then per E=mc^2, it would take twice the United States' entire annual energy consumption to replicate one sandwich. They merely rearrange molecules from a raw matter stock to fit a stored pattern. They're basically transporter-based 3D printers.

I don't know where your information comes from but i can't remember official sources stating it is a converter.

Wiki Link ( yeah i know, but it's too late the issue not important enough to make indepth research):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Star_Trek)

 

[wayoung]

I don't know where your information comes from but i can't remember official sources stating it is a converter.

Wiki Link ( yeah i know, but it's too late the issue not important enough to make indepth research):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Star_Trek)

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It says it in your own link
"In-story information
Type
Matter converte
Functio
Synthesis of organic and inorganic materials via rearrangement of subatomic particles"

 

[Christopher]

I don't know where your information comes from but i can't remember official sources stating it is a converter.

The TNG Technical Manual, mainly, and the DS9 one and behind-the-scenes materials. Rick Sternbach and Mike Okuda retconned out TOS's "matter-to-energy" model of transporters -- because of the utterly ridiculous amount of energy it would require -- in favor of a more plausible one based simply on rearranging molecules, and of course replicators are based on the same principle as transporters. Unfortunately, the "matter-to-energy" myth has persisted for decades despite that.

 

[FPAlpha]

?

It says it in your own link
"In-story information
Type
Matter converte
Functio
Synthesis of organic and inorganic materials via rearrangement of subatomic particles"

Yeah well, the article itself provides a different explanation but then again, that's Wiki. I give up, you and Christopher win this non-issue discussion, back to the Foundation discussion

 

[wayoung]

Yeah well, the article itself provides a different explanation but then again, that's Wiki. I give up, you and Christopher win this non-issue discussion, back to the Foundation discussion

I'm actually watching this week's Lower Decks and it's said onscreen twice, once at the start and once at the end

 

[oldtrekkie]

Wasn't the imperial gardens (mentioned in Foundation and Empire iirc and had the gardener who didn't want to be take away from it) the exception?

or maybe that it was just the biggest open space on the planet.

Yes, the gardens were an exception and the gardener went nuts when the Emperor promoted him, he tried to kill him. The only thing he wanted in life was to be a gardener plain and simple.

 

[oldtrekkie]

Replicators don't convert energy to mass. If they did, then per E=mc^2, it would take twice the United States' entire annual energy consumption to replicate one sandwich. They merely rearrange molecules from a raw matter stock to fit a stored pattern. They're basically transporter-based 3D printers.

As often with things in Star Trek, we don't really know what replicators are or how they work. The information we get is insufficient and contradictory.

 

[Skipper]

Foundation's David S. Goyer on the Vital Changes That Needed to Be Made for the Adaptation

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Foundation's David S. Goyer on the Vital Changes That Needed to Be Made for the Adaptation

Quoting David S Goyer from that article:

So to my writers, my actors, my fellow directors—I said with every scene, with every storyline, we need to be able to strip away the spaceships and the robots and the science fiction elements and make sure that this story works as if it were a contemporary drama.

So robots confirmed? They weren't in the original trilogy but I don't mind their inclusion. The time jumps could be framed by an End of Eternity structure revealed a few seasons (or even episodes?) in. As for Galaxia, though, hmm... Would that seem too cheesy to audiences?

 

[Skipper]

Quoting David S Goyer from that article:

So robots confirmed? They weren't in the original trilogy but I don't mind their inclusion. The time jumps could be framed by an End of Eternity structure revealed a few seasons (or even episodes?) in. As for Galaxia, though, hmm... Would that seem too cheesy to audiences?

Well, it could be just a figure of speech? Or perhaps in this universe robots are just a commodity.

 

[oldtrekkie]

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So robots confirmed? They weren't in the original trilogy but I don't mind their inclusion. The time jumps could be framed by an End of Eternity structure revealed a few seasons (or even episodes?) in. As for Galaxia, though, hmm... Would that seem too cheesy to audiences?

According to "Prelude To Foundation" the robots were there all along. Even Seldon's wife was a robot.