For those who say Star Trek is not real...

[intrinsical]

Kiri-kin-tha's first law of metaphysics: Nothing unreal exists.

I keep reading stuff like "Take it easy, Star Trek is not real." or "Vulcan is not a real planet." If Star Trek is not real, Star Trek does not exist. We would not even be here in a Star Trek forum, talking about the latest Star Trek movie. Therefore, Star Trek must be real. By similar logic, the planet Vulcan is also real.

I am presuming that these people are not saying that Star Trek is not real, but that Star Trek is not important enough to influence them in anyway. However, please bear in mind that some of us not only view Star Trek as real, but also an important part of our lives. What happens in the Trek universe does not matter to you, but it matters to some of us.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

How does Kiri-kin-tha's rule "Nothing unreal exists" jell with "The Vulcan science academy has determined that time travel is not possible"? What if someone had countered the Vulcan science academy's position with "Nothing unreal exists"?

 

[Jim Steele]

some of us not only view Star Trek as real, but also an important part of our lives

 

[James Bond]

Wow?

 

[Sparky]

Kiri-kin-tha's first law of metaphysics: Nothing unreal exists.

If Star Trek is not real, Star Trek does not exist. We would not even be here in a Star Trek forum, talking about the latest Star Trek movie. Therefore, Star Trek must be real.

some of us not only view Star Trek as real, but also an important part of our lives.

Get Help. Seriously No Joke.

 

[RoJoHen]

Of course Star Trek is real, but it's also fiction.

 

[StCoop]

I'm no big fan of Shatner but he really got it right all those years ago with those three simple words...

 

[Tentacle]

well it all comes down to 2 type of fans.

Ones that believe in Star Trek, have star trek influence them to become doctors, engineers, astronauts, computer programmers......
who believes in a better world, and loves the moral/cultural discussion that star trek brings.

And there are those that likes star trek purely for entertainment values, the iconic figures of kirk and spock, the jokes, and the pop culture reference.

(but come to think of it what do you like about the old star trek? and was it in this new movie?)

 

[Feofilakt]

well it all comes down to 2 type of fans.

Ones that believe in Star Trek, have star trek influence them to become doctors, engineers, astronauts, computer programmers......
who believes in a better world, and loves the moral/cultural discussion that star trek brings.

And there are those that likes star trek purely for entertainment values, the iconic figures of kirk and spock, the jokes, and the pop culture reference.

(but come to think of it what do you like about the old star trek? and was it in this new movie?)

Jeez, I guess I am in the former, as nerdy as that sounds. Trek was introduced to me by my father at a very young age, and he always stressed the philosophical aspects of the series, something I carried with me. I usually resented the crowd that wanted more action and violence in the series, particularly outsiders who wanted to Star Warsify it. The philosophical core is what made Trek stand out for the most part, the absence of such would merely render it a very lackluster Star Wars.

 

[Roshi]

some of us not only view Star Trek as real, but also an important part of our lives

+1

 

[StCoop]

Ones that believe in Star Trek, have star trek influence them to become doctors, engineers, astronauts, computer programmers......
who believes in a better world, and loves the moral/cultural discussion that star trek brings.

How pathetic would your life have to be if it takes a corny SF series to inspire you to something.

 

[Thrawn]

Ones that believe in Star Trek, have star trek influence them to become doctors, engineers, astronauts, computer programmers......
who believes in a better world, and loves the moral/cultural discussion that star trek brings.

How pathetic would your life have to be if it takes a corny SF series to inspire you to something.

You might as well say "how pathetic would your life have to be if it takes a poorly compiled and awkwardly translated collection of overheard moralizing from 2,000 years ago to inspire you to something" and dismiss Christianity while you're at it.

I'm not at all religious, but when I was young, I think watching TNG really did make me think about honor and optimism and intellectual value. Nothing pathetic about it.

Inspiration is where you find it.

 

[Jim Steele]

You might as well say "how pathetic would your life have to be if it takes a poorly compiled and awkwardly translated collection of overheard moralizing from 2,000 years ago to inspire you to something" and dismiss Christianity while you're at it.

Well... yeah. That works too.

 

[Thrawn]

You might as well say "how pathetic would your life have to be if it takes a poorly compiled and awkwardly translated collection of overheard moralizing from 2,000 years ago to inspire you to something" and dismiss Christianity while you're at it.

Well... yeah. That works too.

Heh.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Kiri-kin-tha's first law of metaphysics: Nothing unreal exists.

I am presuming that these people are not saying that Star Trek is not real, but that Star Trek is not important enough to influence them in anyway. However, please bear in mind that some of us not only view Star Trek as real, but also an important part of our lives. What happens in the Trek universe does not matter to you, but it matters to some of us.

Sooo... you are using a made-up aphorism coined by a made-up alien philosopher to prove the existence of a made-up universe? It all makes sense now.

Kidding aside, of course Star Trek exists: it's a tv series, a media franchise, a fictional universe. It's real in the same way The Lord of the Ring is real, and Romeo and Juliet is real, and (yes, I'm going there) the Bible is real. These works themselves obviously exist. Some people choose to believe that the stories contained in them are real, too: it's up to them.

 

[Tentacle]

Kiri-kin-tha's first law of metaphysics: Nothing unreal exists.

I am presuming that these people are not saying that Star Trek is not real, but that Star Trek is not important enough to influence them in anyway. However, please bear in mind that some of us not only view Star Trek as real, but also an important part of our lives. What happens in the Trek universe does not matter to you, but it matters to some of us.

Sooo... you are using a made-up aphorism coined by a made-up alien philosopher to prove the existence of a made-up universe? It all makes sense now.

Kidding aside, of course Star Trek exists: it's a tv series, a media franchise, a fictional universe. It's real in the same way The Lord of the Ring is real, and Romeo and Juliet is real, and (yes, I'm going there) the Bible is real. These works themselves obviously exist. Some people choose to believe that the stories contained in them are real, too: it's up to them.

You have just missed the point. you are taking (thinking something is real and heading dangerously towards a straight jacket territory), and comparing to something that inspires.

And if you cant grasp the difference between the 2, i pity you.

 

[pah2602]

You might as well say "how pathetic would your life have to be if it takes a poorly compiled and awkwardly translated collection of overheard moralizing from 2,000 years ago to inspire you to something" and dismiss Christianity while you're at it.

Done and Done.

And I can't possibly agree with you that nothing unreal exists.
You should see my wifes breasts. They're unreal.

Also isn't the study of metaphysics basically philosophy - where everything is theorized and essentially not based on anything tangebly 'real' in the first place. Kiri-kin-tha's law, stating nothing unreal exists is a bit self serving seeing as his first law is not real it's made up. It's not like mathematical physics which is provable and verifiable. What Nonsense.

 

[blockaderunner]

well it all comes down to 2 type of fans.

Ones that believe in Star Trek, have star trek influence them to become doctors, engineers, astronauts, computer programmers......
who believes in a better world, and loves the moral/cultural discussion that star trek brings.

And there are those that likes star trek purely for entertainment values, the iconic figures of kirk and spock, the jokes, and the pop culture reference.

Don't forget that third group that treats Star Trek as a religion and are pretty insulted by that second group you brought up. They do exist as illustrated in Trekkies.

 

[JoeZhang]

But even Talifans will say that certain episodes didn't happen - so aren't real.

 

[RoJoHen]

Don't forget that third group that treats Star Trek as a religion and are pretty insulted by that second group you brought up.

I strongly suggest they get a life.