Fontana's INCIDENT

[RobertScorpio]

While watching THE ENTERPRISE INCIDENT, I noticed something that i hadn't noticed before (star trek does that to you after a while)

When the Romulan commander says "Spock, I didn't expect to see you. We were unaware that vulcans were serving aboard federation ships..blah blah blah.."

At the point she says "Spock, I didn't expect to see you" they cut to Kirk and play some 'suspicious' music. As if Kirk took it to meant that she and Spock had met before...Later on, as we all know, towards the end, Spock/Romulan commander agree to keep their little secret..

Has anyone ever asked DC Fontana, she wrote the episode, if there was some prior relationship going on there between Spock and the Romulan commander but was edited out for unknown reasons???

Rob

 

[Valin]

I'll have to look for that next time I watch it. I always took it to mean Vulcan's in general that she was surprised to see.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seems like a silly thing for her to say. They are aware that Kirk is in command of the Enterprise and who Spock is, yet they dont know Spock is XO? He's been on the ship longer than Kirk!

 

[number6]

This was a bone of contention with DC Fontana. The episode had been re written and lore has it that she went to Nimoy and apologized for the whole Romulan Commander/Spock seduction scene.

 

[RobertScorpio]

This was a bone of contention with DC Fontana. The episode had been re written and lore has it that she went to Nimoy and apologized for the whole Romulan Commander/Spock seduction scene.

Agreed, seems out of character. But here is what i think happened, but got edited..

Spock and the Romulan Character did know each other..how? don't know. Kirk sees the attraction she still has for Spock..has Spock play on it and so forth...

Would have been great if they had sex, and we later found out Savik was smuggled out of the Romulan Territory and raised on vulcan...and was spock's daughter.

Yes, TREK 3 would have had to be rewritten to not include the pon far stuff...

Rob

 

[number6]

It would have spawned a whole generation of Vulcan Porn!

 

[RobertScorpio]

It would have spawned a whole generation of Vulcan Porn!

and Quark would STILL be selling it 100 years later..LOL

Rob

 

[number6]

Vulcan HoloPorn™

 

[T'Bonz]

It always irked me that the Romulan commander was basically seduced by Spock. No way would she had made in as a starship commander in the Romulan Empire had she been so fucking STUPID, she would have been overthown, ousted, whatever long since.

 

[RobertScorpio]

It always irked me that the Romulan commander was basically seduced by Spock. No way would she had made in as a starship commander in the Romulan Empire had she been so fucking STUPID, she would have been overthown, ousted, whatever long since.

One has to wonder if she even went back. You'd have to think that her sub-commander would have reported how she was seduced by spock. Maybe she defected. I wonder if any of the TREK books delved into this?

Rob

 

[T'Bonz]

Oh yeah, some did.

 

[Jonas Grumby]

^ T'Bonz, have you never seen that deleted scene that takes place just after the Romulan Commander excuses herself from Spock to go change into her civvies? She gets on the intercom with her sub-commander and says, "The schnook's falling for it hook, line and sinker! We're gonna be able to take the Enterprise without firing a shot!"

Seriously, though, she was portrayed rather badly in the episode. To me, those scenes played like vintage Roddenberry. Based on some of his other screenwriting - not to mention several cringe-inducing memos reproduced in "The Making of Star Trek" book - I frequently got the impression that his sexual maturity never much progressed past age sixteen.

 

[RobertScorpio]

^ T'Bonz, have you never seen that deleted scene that takes place just after the Romulan Commander excuses herself from Spock to go change into her civvies? She gets on the intercom with her sub-commander and says, "The schnook's falling for it hook, line and sinker! We're gonna be able to take the Enterprise without firing a shot!"

Seriously, though, she was portrayed rather badly in the episode. To me, those scenes played like vintage Roddenberry. Based on some of his other screenwriting - not to mention several cringe-inducing memos reproduced in "The Making of Star Trek" book - I frequently got the impression that his sexual maturity never much progressed past age sixteen.

..and yet the show is by far the most famous of all the Treks. You see, there is a little dirty secret; its 'sexist' charm is part of the reason it endures.

Rob

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It always irked me that the Romulan commander was basically seduced by Spock. No way would she had made in as a starship commander in the Romulan Empire had she been so fucking STUPID, she would have been overthown, ousted, whatever long since.

Maybe she was a smart, tough cookie till confronted with the first real-life Vulcan she'd ever met. Of course she would have been hearing about Vulcans all her life. She might have not realized how saaaay-ex-y they'd be in the flesh. It was just her bad luck that that Vulcan would be Spock and not, say, one of those personality-free types like Stonn.

Dya think she knew he was half-human to boot? Maybe that made him all the more exotic!

 

[Herbert1]

Some fans and the novel series presume that Spock married Saavik, but I prefer to think that Spock married the Romulan Commander.

When they announced that Saavik was part-Romulan and part-Vulcan in 1982 with the release of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, I believed that Saavik was Spock's daughter with the Romulan Commander. Of course this speculation was invalid after the release of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.

I guess it is still possible that Saavik's mother could be the Romulan Commander and her father an as yet unrevealed Vulcan. It could be an explanation of why Spock is a mentor figure to Saavik. But another backstory for Saavik was devised for the novel series.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

..and yet the show is by far the most famous of all the Treks. You see, there is a little dirty secret; its 'sexist' charm is part of the reason it endures.

Rob

Alternatively, it could have endured despite the 60s sexism, not because of it.

 

[Maurice]

...and yet the show is by far the most famous of all the Treks...

What? The episode in question is hardly the most famous.

 

[RobertScorpio]

...and yet the show is by far the most famous of all the Treks...

What? The episode in question is hardly the most famous.

True, but it wouldn't be wrong to say that of the third season offerings, it is near the top.

Must I point out the sexist tone of some of Trek's more popular episodes to make my point...I dont think so. Star Trek had issues with sexism, and yet, is very well liked, as are many shows from that time.

Rob

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

Based on some of his other screenwriting - not to mention several cringe-inducing memos reproduced in "The Making of Star Trek" book - I frequently got the impression that his sexual maturity never much progressed past age sixteen.

I wasn't pulling the women he had at 26 never mind 16

 

[Sir Rhosis]

I own Fontana's first draft. There was no prior relationship between the two characters. In fact, despite her protestations, her first draft has Spock acting as much out of character as the final.

Follow the link below to read my synopsis of it and the differences between it and the final, aired, episode.

Sir Rhosis