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Fix TNG

Red Ranger

Admiral
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Fix TNG!

Dear Members:

I know it's somewhat fashionable to bash TNG these days. It does have its flaws, but so do all the ST series. I have always been a fan, but I always wondered what would have happened if certain aspects of the characters had been different from the get-go.

You see, I recognize there are weak aspects of the series and its characters and would have loved a chance to fix them before it went on the air.

Here is my blueprint to make TNG better, with a few more radical changes thrown in for argument's sake.

FIRST: MORE TENSION BETWEEN THE MAIN CHARACTERS. Would have been difficult to pull this off with Rodenberry at the helm, but the seeds for more conflict are certainly there.

Now, let me delve into the main characters and say how I would have developed things.

PICARD: S1 Picard's grumpiness and discomfort with children was never really developed further, other than his sometimes disapproving tone with Wesley. Later, they kind of glossed it over in the ep where Picard is trapped in a turbolift with some children.

I would have kept Picard a bit grumpy and irascible, esp. when it came to children, and then reveal why he felt that way bit by bit. I think it had something to do with his not having a family, perhaps a sense of bitterness.

I also would have had him have a serious long-term relationship with a woman during the series, either Dr. Beverly Crusher or perhaps a civilian woman who serves as the liaison for the families. A woman who was outside the chain of command that Picard would have to deal with as an equal, like dealing with the leader of a new species, kind of an in-ship lesson in diplomacy.

RIKER: Would have made Riker more of a bad boy, a promising Starfleet officer who had been turned down for a captaincy because of an error in command judgement. He gets the assignment of first officer of Enterprise both as a consolation prize and as a bit of a punishment, sent to serve at the legendary Picard's side as a way of reclaiming his lost potential. As a result, he would have been a bit more like Decker in TMP, more openly challenging Picard's decisions. So it's a test both of his and Picard's mettle. I'm also thinking of the character of Commander Quntin Stone from the Peter David novel, Rock And A Hard Place.

I also wish they would have developed Riker's unease at working with Data, an android he doesn't quite believe is sentient and is troubled by his attitude that he is superior to humans. That would have made for a more intriguing dynamic -- two officers who have to win one another's loyalty and approval.

DATA: No major changes for him, other than an actual promotion halfway in the series to full commander and no emotion chip.

TROI: I always thought Troi, like Tam Elbrun from Tin Man, should have been some kind of specialist in unusual cultures, as another role aside from being ship's counselor, something like chief exopsychologist. In this role, her empathic abilities are only another quiver in her skills in dealing with alien cultures. I also would have made her a bridge officer, perhaps even second officer instead of Data. Another possibility: I might have made Troi the chief engineer, a post that wouldn't have relied so heavily on her empathic abilities -- they simply help her be a leader.

GEORDI: First off, I would have made Geordi the chief engineer all along. Or, imagine if he was the blind ship's counselor. I also think his banana comb as the visor was a goofy prop. Would have had his Visor be artificially implanted eyes like they were in the movies. I also would have made Geordi less of a geek.

WORF: I think Worf's character needs little tinkering. I would have made him chief of security from the get-go instead of Yar. His background is more suited for such a post, and it could have been established this was a new role for him after serving as an assistant chief of security on a previous ship.

YAR: Her character, in addition to Wesley, needs the most work. I think she would have been better off as the gung-ho, eager, up-and-coming command track officer and helm officer with a lot to learn from the steady mentorship of Picard. Would have made more sense than her being a hot-headed chief of security, a post that requires more thoughtful restraint.

BEVERLY CRUSHER: Not a fan of this character or actress. Instead of her being the CMO, would have much preferred it if she were the character I mentioned above, the ship's civilian liaision who crosses swords with the career Starfleet officer Picard was. And from that tempestous relationship would have come the kind of romantic relationship those two should have had. Or maybe the CMO could have also doubled as the civilian liaison, again, something Picard was not used to in his career. The point being, more conflict between these two headstrong characters.

WESLEY CRUSHER: Again, the wunderkind who is able to solve problems faster even than the android officer was tiresome. He should have been an average student who is then appointed as an officer-in-training, a special program Picard initiates, at Riker's suggestion, for some of the more adventurous young people on board the ship, kind of like what used to be called co-op education, where a small cadre of future cadets learns by doing.

Those are my suggestions. Now, it's all your turn. Have at it!

Red Ranger
 
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It doesn't need to be fixed. It's a unique blend of the good and bad put together from producers, writers, actors, directors, etc. Just enjoy it, warts and all. That's life, that's what it's all about. Enjoy it, critique it, discuss it--but why fix it?
 
some good point s and interesting ideas. I do think TNG was a great series with great characters, though yes a few flaws here and there.

The grumpy picard thing was a big thing.
 
some good point s and interesting ideas. I do think TNG was a great series with great characters, though yes a few flaws here and there.

The grumpy picard thing was a big thing.

Thanks, RaymondJames. Are you named after the brokerage firm? :lol: I don't really get all the TNG bashing. For one thing, the writers worked very hard in creating back stories for the characters, even addressing how many siblings they had, or not. That was lacking in the background of TOS. -- RR
 
Re: Fix TNG!

I also would have had him have a serious long-term relationship with a woman during the series, either Dr. Beverly Crusher or perhaps a civilian woman who serves as the liaison for the families. A woman who was outside the chain of command that Picard would have to deal with as an equal, like dealing with the leader of a new species, kind of an in-ship lesson in diplomacy.


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"Is that an order?" Vash
"Absolutely." Picard
"This isn't a starship, Jean-Luc. I don't follow orders." Vash
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Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
 
I generally liked the characters how they were I guess. One thing I didn't understand was why Picard was French but had a British accent. I mean, I guess since it's waaay in the future, there probably wouldn't be as many strong accents, but he still had a British one... lol. If this was somehow explained in the series, then ignore me... lol.

Doesn't seem like much love for Bev around here. She's one of my favorites. But I love strong, intelligent, arse kicking redheads... hehe. I would have liked to see more with her and Picard, but I know that often ruins a show and/or the characters, so I understand why they don't always persue this. They did finally with Riker and Troi, but that was in the movies so it wouldn't possibley ruin them for the show since there'd be no more shows or movies. And technically, Picard and Crusher are together now in the books (that I think are considered canon).
 
Crusher are together now in the books (that I think are considered canon).

No. The books are not canon. Never have been, never will be by decree of Roddenberry himself back in the 70's. Only what is on screen is considered Star Trek canon.

Wamest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
 
I think the three main bridge chairs should have also been recliners. Also, mini-bar near the tactical station.
 
"Hindsight is 20/20."
It is easy to say IN RETROSPECT what should have been done, but as my grandma used to say, "Woulda, shoulda, coulda never paid the rent!"
Most of the fixes you stated were actually done in various episodes.
PICARD- Eventually we saw him "come around" as far as kids and even develop a relationship with Wesley (still my favorite character), as when Wes and Picard are stuck on the shuttle together.
RIKER- He eventually matured and "grew up"... although he should have taken the offer of a command of his own, it is understandable (from a television series viewpoint) why he did not.
DATA- Also grew as a person during the course of the series. So he changed, too.
TROI- As a mechanic... HELL NO! But I was never satisfied with her character either. Other than Riker's ex-babe, she had no real history or purpose. Over the course of the series, however, she and Dr. Crusher grew and so did their career goals, including command training.
GEORDI- His character was played & designed very well. He switched career paths based on his passions and abilities, becoming a very good engineer in the process. I like the visor, it showed that even persons with disabilities of one kind or another are accepted in the 24th century. He became a role model for those with disabilities, which was GR's original plan for the character.
WORF- Another who "grew into" his calling. Yes, he was rough around the edges in the beginning. So were most of us who were career officers in the military.
YAR- Yeah, a train wreck in the making from the get-go. Although her background of making something of herself in spite of her upbringing made for good drama, had it been utilized. Her desire to leave a "going nowhere show" became one of the greatest career blunders in television history. It didn't do much for her character development either.
BEVERLY CRUSHER- I disagree with you completely. Not only was she a good actress, she was also a good character. You should re-watch the shows on Sci-Fi Channel to see her as she is: the one person who has as much power as Picard (she can declare him unfit for duty) and can therefore relate to him as an equal. The romantic tension between them is always there.
I still think Wesley is Picard's love child (or should be).
WESLEY CRUSHER- My favorite character (and actor... I really enjoyed the times we met and hung out). I was never satisfied with the way he was written out of the series. It just didn't gel for me at all. Of course in the series I created, he was the lead in to the Academy crossover (but I promise not to beat that dead horse here).
Over all, the series grew and so did the characters. It was the one post-TOS show I loved.
 
some good point s and interesting ideas. I do think TNG was a great series with great characters, though yes a few flaws here and there.

The grumpy picard thing was a big thing.

Thanks, RaymondJames. Are you named after the brokerage firm? :lol: I don't really get all the TNG bashing. For one thing, the writers worked very hard in creating back stories for the characters, even addressing how many siblings they had, or not. That was lacking in the background of TOS. -- RR
nah its my first name and one of my middles, just a odd way of things its the same as the brokerage firm. And umm Jason was the best red ranger:wtf:. Another Thing, Yar may have been developed better if given the chance, Deniese left before the writers really had a fair chance. In a odd way of looking at it M. Dorn really has her to thank for his sucess. The way i look at it Worf was a under used "token klingon" episodes 1-23 in season 1, he had no real role accept being relief con and relief bridge officer as a Lieutenant JG. It was only after Yar's death that he got a chance to shine and the writers really expanded on his character making him a vital part of the ships crew as Security Chief and Chief Tactical Officer as a full Lieutenant. Then his character was a hit, they moved him into to cast of Ds9 as a Lieutenant Commander. Worf is by far the most expanded and used character.
 
Maybe they should have had the E-D in the Delta Quadrant for a couple of seasons. After seeing "Q-Who?" earlier tonight, maybe Q should have left them there after initially saving them from the Borg. The crew would have encountered a few of the DQ races while trying to find their way home, but eventually encountering the Borg again. They kidnap and alter Picard as they did in "The Best of Both Worlds", then transwarp their way to Earth for an invasion. But the E-D is able to pursue them in the warp conduit, rescue Picard, defeat the Borg, and return home in one big swoop. Afterward, they continue their missions closer to home, dealing with the Klingons and the Romulans as we've seen over the course of the series, leading to the big finale with Q in "All Good Things..." If they did this, we would have been spared the awful wreck that was Star Trek: Voyager.
 
TNG, as it was from 1987-1994:

Re-do "Yesterday's Enterprise" uniforms. I find it hard to believe they'd still be using the movie era uniforms so late.

During the first season, it seemed like the more backwards the planet's customs, the more Picard had to bend over. The dilemmas would've been more compelling if a given planet's rules and mores weren't so obtuse, i.e. "Code of Honor" and "Justice". Also, the Ferengi should've been portrayed more as ruthless businessmen than caricatured businessmen.

That's about all I can think of. Too much of the series has faded from my mind and it would be ridiculous to expect a late-'80s/early-'90s series to be written in today's style.

TNG, if it were a 2008 series:

With the exception of Yar who was only around for one season, the female regulars are caregivers. Having Ro or Yar throughout as a regular would've helped to balance things a bit.

Have Wesley be a long-distance, field-training cadet who evetually rises to Ensign. Bright but not to the point where he makes the adults look like idiots.

Geordi would have either regular eyes or ocular implants from the beginning, cool as a I used to think the VISOR was. Picard wouldn't have a mechanical heart but a new one that was grown for him.

More integrated arcs.

Keep the colors the same but make them richer. Make the consoles and stations thinner looking.
 
Red Ranger I really like your suggestions for Troi, probably because I've always thought the same thing myself! :lol: On the whole I don't feel the need to fix TNG. I watched it through from start to finish as it was being aired and I largely enjoyed the way it developed. A couple of things I would have fixed, though, upon reflection. I'd definately have cast a male actor as Soren in The Outcast. And I read somewhere that TPTB were considering making Riker, not Worf, the single father. Obviously I always welcome more character development for "my" character, so I'd have welcomed that. Don't really think it would have made any greater thematic difference having Riker be a father rather than Worf and in truth it was probably more interesting that Worf had the kid, but still, wish they'd done that.
 
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RedRanger, your ideas are interesting, but it would have been hard pressed to have Riker be punished and placed as XO of the flag ship... Decker was it's CO, who had legit beef with Kirk for booting him from the command chair. In reality, if you questioned your CO, you would get transfered to waste extraction.

I agree with promoting data.

I like the fact that Geordi and Worf changed careers during the series... Altho, having a new character or two come in (a la Ro) is something I would have preferred.
 
Re: Fix TNG!

FIRST: MORE TENSION BETWEEN THE MAIN CHARACTERS. Would have been difficult to pull this off with Rodenberry at the helm, but the seeds for more conflict are certainly there.

Hmmm, for me, not necessarily, though I would've liked more heated discussions about ethical matters.

TROI: I always thought Troi, like Tam Elbrun from Tin Man, should have been some kind of specialist in unusual cultures, as another role aside from being ship's counselor, something like chief exopsychologist. In this role, her empathic abilities are only another quiver in her skills in dealing with alien cultures. I also would have made her a bridge officer, perhaps even second officer instead of Data. Another possibility: I might have made Troi the chief engineer, a post that wouldn't have relied so heavily on her empathic abilities -- they simply help her be a leader.

I wouldn't go for the engineer Troi (I mean... we saw her fly, imagine what she'd do to the engines if she could actually touch them :evil:) but the other parts: yes, yes, yes and yes.
Deanna could've been a great character if the writers had dared a little more. In the first two/three seasons we see glimpses of a Troi that is more professional and able than she's shown to be. She could've easily been made into a diplomat/counselor/exopsychologist/mediator. Picard's chief assistent during negotiations and peace talks (or preferably the first choice even over Picard, but that's even less likely). Instead, that role usually went either to Riker (The Price, for instance) or Data (Tin man, amongst many others). I've been rewatching episodes lately and I often get the impression there are scenes that would've fitted Deanna excellently, but were assigned to Data simply because he was the more popular character.

Tin Man is a good example, both Troi and Data advice Picard concerning Tam Elbrun mental status and reliability - Picard decided to go with Data's suggestion over Troi's warnings. Troi, in the end is proven right. Now, let's examine this logically. Why would an XO take the advice of an android without emotions, without any kind of psychological training, over the advice of a trained, experienced psychologist? Any why is it, that in later episodes this keeps happening? At some point it even appears if Data has a better understanding of psychology than Troi and that's just putting down one character to advance another, which is a shame.

So, the only thing I would want to fix in TNG is precisely that. I've used Deanna as an example here, but it goes for almost every character. Crusher, Troi, Geordi, Worf and even Riker occasionally, were undermined to benefit Data, Picard and Riker. The more I notice this, the more it annoys me. I know Picard and Data were the most popular characters and that is why it happened in the first place, but it's really a shame because apart from hurting the other characters, it hurts the show overall in my opinion. :(
 
some good point s and interesting ideas. I do think TNG was a great series with great characters, though yes a few flaws here and there.

The grumpy picard thing was a big thing.

Thanks, RaymondJames. Are you named after the brokerage firm? :lol: I don't really get all the TNG bashing. For one thing, the writers worked very hard in creating back stories for the characters, even addressing how many siblings they had, or not. That was lacking in the background of TOS. -- RR

not needed for great story tell as TOS illustrated
 
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