first time watching star trek II

[rick]

hey hey,

just wanted to say that i just watched star trek II for the first time. It was FuKhan good! I saw The Motion Picture last night, and it was boring as hell. thats my .02

 

[Messianni]

hey hey,

just wanted to say that i just watched star trek II for the first time. It was FuKhan good! I saw The Motion Picture last night, and it was boring as hell. thats my .02

Apt.

 

[Geckothan]

Pft, TWOK is overrated and TMP is underrated (it does drag on a bit though). Strangely enough, I just watched TMP through to TSFS again this morning, woke up at 3AM and couldn't get back to sleep so I decided to stay up and start watching through the movies again

 

[QuasarVM]

BOTH are great films -- in the same way ALIEN and ALIENS are both great films. They are different kinds of films -- one cerebral, the other more straight up action adventure (I am talking about both the first two Trek films AND the first two ALIEN films).

I wouldn't expect someone weened on computer games to be able to sit still for ST:TMP though...the attention span can't handle it.

And that's a sad commentary.

 

[Messianni]

BOTH are great films -- in the same way ALIEN and ALIENS are both great films. They are different kinds of films -- one cerebral, the other more straight up action adventure (I am talking about both the first two Trek films AND the first two ALIEN films).

I wouldn't expect someone weened on computer games to be able to sit still for ST:TMP though...the attention span can't handle it.

And that's a sad commentary.

That really doesn't have anything to do with it. It's all personal preference; there were plenty of people back in the 70's who thought it was boring too.

 

[Jbarney]

Star Trek II is such an awesome movie. I was surprised to get one of my students to watch it over the February vacation. The review came back positive. Good film, probably my favorite.

 

[rick]

BOTH are great films -- in the same way ALIEN and ALIENS are both great films. They are different kinds of films -- one cerebral, the other more straight up action adventure (I am talking about both the first two Trek films AND the first two ALIEN films).

I wouldn't expect someone weened on computer games to be able to sit still for ST:TMP though...the attention span can't handle it.

And that's a sad commentary.

wow. all i did was state my opinion and made a pun. i dont know it would prompt such a harsh reaction.

i figure this is an analogous response: i wouldn't expect a virgin to sit through ST:TWOK though...he would be too busy fantasizing about khan's breasts.

im also not sure what more sad. someones opinion on a movie, or some guy who doesnt agree that insults him beyond the veil of a computer screen...

 

[rick]

BOTH are great films -- in the same way ALIEN and ALIENS are both great films. They are different kinds of films -- one cerebral, the other more straight up action adventure (I am talking about both the first two Trek films AND the first two ALIEN films).

I wouldn't expect someone weened on computer games to be able to sit still for ST:TMP though...the attention span can't handle it.

And that's a sad commentary.

That really doesn't have anything to do with it. It's all personal preference; there were plenty of people back in the 70's who thought it was boring too.

from wikipedia: After the release of The Motion Picture, executive producer Gene Roddenberry wrote his own sequel. In his plot, the crew of the Enterprise travel back in time to set right a corrupted time line after Klingons use the Guardian of Forever to prevent the assassination of John F. Kennedy.[14][15] This was rejected by Paramount executives, who blamed the poor performance and inflated budget ($46 million) of the first movie on its plodding pace and the constant rewrites Roddenberry demanded.[16] As a consequence, Roddenberry was removed from the production and, according to Shatner, "kicked upstairs" to the ceremonial position of executive consultant.[17]

i think paramount had ADD. damn atari 2600!!!

 

[cardinal biggles]

BOTH are great films -- in the same way ALIEN and ALIENS are both great films. They are different kinds of films -- one cerebral, the other more straight up action adventure (I am talking about both the first two Trek films AND the first two ALIEN films).

I wouldn't expect someone weened on computer games to be able to sit still for ST:TMP though...the attention span can't handle it.

And that's a sad commentary.

wow. all i did was state my opinion and made a pun. i dont know it would prompt such a harsh reaction.

i figure this is an analogous response: i wouldn't expect a virgin to sit through ST:TWOK though...he would be too busy fantasizing about khan's breasts.

im also not sure what more sad. someones opinion on a movie, or some guy who doesnt agree that insults him beyond the veil of a computer screen...

While Quasar's comment was a bit of a broad generalization, your response hasn't really helped. What he said at least had a touch of truth about it — the effect of video games, MTV, and classic Sesame Street on attention span has long been a matter of debate in both academic and nonacademic circles — whereas your 'analogous response' was not so much analogous as it was nonsensical.

 

[rick]

BOTH are great films -- in the same way ALIEN and ALIENS are both great films. They are different kinds of films -- one cerebral, the other more straight up action adventure (I am talking about both the first two Trek films AND the first two ALIEN films).

I wouldn't expect someone weened on computer games to be able to sit still for ST:TMP though...the attention span can't handle it.

And that's a sad commentary.

wow. all i did was state my opinion and made a pun. i dont know it would prompt such a harsh reaction.

i figure this is an analogous response: i wouldn't expect a virgin to sit through ST:TWOK though...he would be too busy fantasizing about khan's breasts.

im also not sure what more sad. someones opinion on a movie, or some guy who doesnt agree that insults him beyond the veil of a computer screen...

While Quasar's comment was a bit of a broad generalization, your response hasn't really helped. What he said at least had a touch of truth about it — the effect of video games, MTV, and classic Sesame Street on attention span has long been a matter of debate in both academic and nonacademic circles — whereas your 'analogous response' was not so much analogous as it was nonsensical.

i was just taking an unneeded shot.

fine. a broad generalization...but sparked by what? a pun about khan? 2+2=4 ! hey its true, but why say it in a response to what you wrote?

 

[cardinal biggles]

More likely, it was sparked by your comment that The Motion Picture was boring as hell.

 

[rick]

ok. now you are just reaching for straws, because that really doesnt make sense.

or you have a condition known as trisomy 21.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Wow, you called me a retard. I'm impressed.

So what's next in your bag of tricks?

 

[rick]

hmmm...im not sure...im just curious what you are going reply with next to get the last word

 

[Geckothan]

I don't see the connection. I love gaming, I have (self-diagnosed) ADD, and I can sit through the whole of TMP without moving a muscle! :[

 

[sunburn800]

To me TWOK is bye far the best star trek movie to date, there are a few plot holes that i can live with,but overall a well balanced film it has a little bit of everything i liked about trek covered.

 

[rick]

so far i would agree that II is the best. i have seen I, II, and now III plus i have seen the TNG era movies. Khan was really entertaining. III wasnt bad, i was expecting much worse because people have said the odd numbered movies are garbage. i dont have IV or V yet, but VI is next on the docket.

 

[cardinal biggles]

^Try and see IV before you see VI; IV is a nice wrap-up to the story from II and III (though some have rightfully criticized the way IV's ending serves as a giant reset button to all the loss and pain of the previous two movies). Also, IV introduces a couple of characters who reappear in VI, so it's kind of cool to see them there first.

 

[Maurice]

from wikipedia: After the release of The Motion Picture, executive producer Gene Roddenberry wrote his own sequel. In his plot, the crew of the Enterprise travel back in time to set right a corrupted time line after Klingons use the Guardian of Forever to prevent the assassination of John F. Kennedy.[14][15] This was rejected by Paramount executives, who blamed the poor performance and inflated budget ($46 million) of the first movie on its plodding pace and the constant rewrites Roddenberry demanded.[16] As a consequence, Roddenberry was removed from the production and, according to Shatner, "kicked upstairs" to the ceremonial position of executive consultant.[17]

Wikipedia is not exactly an accurate source for information of this kind. TMP didn't underperform: it was the #3 moneymaker of films released in 1979, IIRC. The film's actual budget wasn't quite that high, as Paramount included all the expenses for previous attempts to ressurrect the show in the stated budget, etc.

 

[CorporalClegg]

from wikipedia: After the release of The Motion Picture, executive producer Gene Roddenberry wrote his own sequel. In his plot, the crew of the Enterprise travel back in time to set right a corrupted time line after Klingons use the Guardian of Forever to prevent the assassination of John F. Kennedy.[14][15] This was rejected by Paramount executives, who blamed the poor performance and inflated budget ($46 million) of the first movie on its plodding pace and the constant rewrites Roddenberry demanded.[16] As a consequence, Roddenberry was removed from the production and, according to Shatner, "kicked upstairs" to the ceremonial position of executive consultant.[17]

Wikipedia is not exactly an accurate source for information of this kind. TMP didn't underperform: it was the #3 moneymaker of films released in 1979, IIRC. The film's actual budget wasn't quite that high, as Paramount included all the expenses for previous attempts to ressurrect the show in the stated budget, etc.

Yup. I'm quite confident the swift change in scope and direction had less to do with TMP's "failures" and more to do with Star Wars' successes.

To me TWOK is bye far the best star trek movie to date, there are a few plot holes that i can live with,but overall a well balanced film it has a little bit of everything i liked about trek covered.

Err... more than a "few" plot holes.