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Finding the Diamonds in the Rough

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Some of you may remember that last year I posted reviews and episode rankings as I made my way through the complete series. Now, I'm requesting the help of the VOY forum regarding what I consider the weaker episodes of the series. None of the episodes worked for me as a whole, but I'd like to think that each of them has at least one redeeming feature. Please help me brainstorm the best individual scenes, subplots, visual effects shots, and moments in these episodes.

133: "Fury" (6-23)
134: "Vis A Vis" (4-20)
135: "Alliances" (2-14)
136: "Fair Haven" (6-11)
137: "Juggernaut" (5-21)
138: "Hope and Fear" (4-26)
139: "Bliss" (5-14)
140: "Think Tank" (5-20)
141: "Memorial" (6-14)
142: "Time and Again" (1-4)
143: "Alter Ego" (3-14)
144: "The Voyager Conspiracy" (6-9)
145: "Good Shepherd" (6-20)
146: "Latent Image" (5-11)
147: "Natural Law" (7-22)
148: "The Void" (7-15)
149: "Dragon's Teeth" (6-7)
150 and 151: "Equinox" (5-26 and 6-1)
152: "Darkling" (3-18)
153: "Heroes and Demons" (1-12)
154: "Collective" (6-16)
155: "Friendship One" (7-21)
156: "Course: Oblivion" (5-18)
157: "Sacred Ground" (3-7)
158: "Threshold" (2-15)
159: "Flashback" (3-2)
160: "Lifesigns" (2-19)
161: "Coda" (3-15)
162: "Alice" (6-5)
163: "Retrospect" (4-17)
164: "The Fight" (5-19)
165: "Fair Trade" (3-13)
166: "Repression" (7-4)
167: "Unforgettable" (4-22)
168: "Spirit Folk" (6-17)
169: "The Thaw" (2-23)
170: "Twisted" (2-6)
171: "Parturition" (2-7)
172: "Once Upon a Time" (5-5)

Many thanks,

Brandon
 
Please note: I am mainly limiting myself to episodes I like and am thus familiar with.

"Fair Trade"
Take a look at my avatar. Take a hint. Wixiban, lots of sleazy fun. Loved him dragging Neelix into a compromising situation. In terms of lighting, check out the scene when he and Neelix eat at the station, and his face is shrouded in partial darkness. Really gets him out strongly, I might change my avatar to that someday.

"Darkling"
I particularly like this episode. I will highlight Picardo's effective, menacing performance, his arguments with Kes as to the morality of good and evil, and finally the neat special effect of them materializing in a transporter beam as they plummet off a cliff.

"Lifesigns"
Love this episode. The ending with the Doctor accepting Denara for what she is and dancing with her in the Marseilles holoprogram is a beautiful moment.

"Sacred Ground"
Underrated. Will specifically note the end scene, where Janeway, after having to deal with a situation emotionally rather than accept the trite technobabble solution, doesn't seem convinced at the end as the characters technobabble-explain the plot away.

"Course: Oblivion"
Meh. This is alright. But the teaser with the marriage of Paris and Torres getting married was well done, and features a delightfully droll witticism from Seven.

"Repression"
Nothing much, but I've watched it a dozen times for some reason. I really liked the 1950s Movie Theatre, that was the second best Holodeck environment on the show... and one of the few that didn't get a stupid malfunction episode. It was mildly amusing to see Chell again, as well. :)
 
With the help of Kegek, Jammer, MEG, and my own reviews, I've come up with at least one good thing about each episode. However, some of them are pretty flimsy, so if anyone has better suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

133: "Fury" (6-23) - Seeing Season 1 crew again, Tuvok's birthday party
134: "Vis A Vis" (4-20) - Steth trying not to get found out onboard the ship
135: "Alliances" (2-14) - Trabe betrayal at summit
136: "Fair Haven" (6-11) - Janeway/Chakotay discussion
137: "Juggernaut" (5-21) - Resolution
138: "Hope and Fear" (4-26) - Dauntless design
139: "Bliss" (5-14) - Telepathic pitcher plant's realm, how Seven and Naomi retake the ship
140: "Think Tank" (5-20) - First tour of Think Tank
141: "Memorial" (6-14) - Discover of memorial onward
142: "Time and Again" (1-4) - Tom's scenes with alien child
143: "Alter Ego" (3-14) - Resort costumes, Vorik, Tom/B'Elanna, kal-toh introduction
144: "The Voyager Conspiracy" (6-9) - Janeway/Chakotay scenes
145: "Good Shepherd" (6-20) - Opening sequence
146: "Latent Image" (5-11) - Counseling session
147: "Natural Law" (7-22) - Dome technology
148: "The Void" (7-15) - Musical aliens
149: "Dragon's Teeth" (6-7) - Early scenes of Vaadwaur culture
150 and 151: "Equinox" (5-26 and 6-1) - Meeting of the captains
152: "Darkling" (3-18) - Doctor subduing Torres, materializing in a transporter beam plummeting off cliff
153: "Heroes and Demons" (1-12) - Doctor/Freya scenes, Doctor in general
154: "Collective" (6-16) - Seven/Janeway conversation, poker scene
155: "Friendship One" (7-21) - Neelix and Tom's actions on the planet
156: "Course: Oblivion" (5-18) - Marriage of "Tom" and "B'Elanna"
157: "Sacred Ground" (3-7) - Ending
158: "Threshold" (2-15) - Early scenes with Tom
159: "Flashback" (3-2) - Tuvok/Excelsior scenes
160: "Lifesigns" (2-19) - Doctor dancing with Danara at end
161: "Coda" (3-15) - Janeway/Chakotay scenes
162: "Alice" (6-5) - Paris describes the "ultimate flying experience"
163: "Retrospect" (4-17) - Final scene with Doctor and Janeway, Doctor/Seven scenes
164: "The Fight" (5-19) - Boxing match preparation
165: "Fair Trade" (3-13) - Wixiban and Neelix eating together on station, Tom/Neelix discussion
166: "Repression" (7-4) - 1950s movie theater, beginning of investigation
167: "Unforgettable" (4-22) - Kellin vs. homeworld agent/pursuer, Tuvok cracking a joke
168: "Spirit Folk" (6-17) - Doc as preacher
169: "The Thaw" (2-23) - Doctor scenes, very end
170: "Twisted" (2-6) - Scenes where characters share what they think will be their last moments
171: "Parturition" (2-7) - Janeway to Neelix and Paris: "Solve it"
172: "Once Upon a Time" (5-5) - Any non-Naomi, non-shuttle scene
 
wow, it's pretty crazy that at least 9 of those episodes in your bottom 40 would probably go in my top 40.
 
Merry said:
None of the episodes worked for me as a whole, but I'd like to think that each of them has at least one redeeming feature. Please help me brainstorm the best individual scenes, subplots, visual effects shots, and moments in these episodes.

I don't know if I can get that specific, but I'm always up for finding nice things to say about things that don't often get nice things said about them, so here goes...

"Fury": This is a very hard episode to redeem (though it helps a lot if you've read the novel String Theory: Evolution), but it is nice to see Jennifer Lien back again.

"Vis A Vis": Hmm... well, one interesting thing is that the female alien is played by Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, the voice of Motoko Kusanagi in the English dub of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

"Alliances": Not bad at all. It's the best worldbuilding episode the Kazon got, because it introduced the Trabe and explained a great deal about the Kazon's background. It introduced a lot that deserved to be followed up on, particularly the idea of making some real allies in the Delta Quadrant.

"Fair Haven": I think this is a decent allegory about the temptation to change the people we get romantically involved with.

"Juggernaut": This is the one with the B'Elanna shower scene, right? That's about the only positive I can see in it. Note that the toy spaceship the Malon crewman is playing with is the model that was used in the original (pre-FC) ST Chronology as Zefram Cochrane's prototype warp ship.

"Hope and Fear": Not bad at all. A good wrapup to Seven's arc in her first season on the show, and an all-too-rare story about the long-term consequences of Voyager's actions.

"Think Tank": It is a nice glimpse at various nonhumanoid aliens, something we didn't see nearly enough of. And I appreciated the throwaway reference to the Vidiian phage finally being cured.

"Time and Again," "Twisted": I think most of the first season has pretty good writing, since Michael Piller headed the staff. Even when the stories were weak, we still got good character moments. "Time and Again" is a significant early character-building episode for Kes and lays the groundwork for her relationship with the Doctor. "Twisted" shows the whole cast interacting socially and then dealing with a shipwide crisis, and though the crisis is weak, the character writing isn't bad.

"Alter Ego": Not bad at all. An episode that tests Tuvok's stoicism and reserve without resorting to gimmicks like mindmelds and neurological traumas.

"Good Shepherd": Ohh, this is an excellent episode! A welcome and long-overdue return of the real Kathryn Janeway, the nurturer and strong mother figure to the crew.

"Latent Image": An even better episode! A very powerful Doctor story, even if it does have a few continuity glitches (like Janeway having short hair and Paris being a medic in the flashbacks). The only things I don't like about it are the lack of Kes in the flashbacks and the fact that the gorgeous Ensign Jetal was killed off before we even knew her.

"The Void": Another favorite of mine. This is what Voyager should've been like all along -- not just about running home to mommy, but about building a community in the Delta Quadrant, using Federation values to make it a better place.

"Dragon's Teeth": I thought the Vaadwaur had a lot of potential and had a very interesting makeup design. The main reason the episode doesn't quite work is simply that it never got a followup.

"Equinox": It was good to see another Caretaker-abducted ship at long last, though it was greatly overdue and lacking in execution.

"Darkling" / "The Fight" / "The Thaw": These are all Joe Menosky episodes that I like and a lot of people hate (along with TNG's "Masks"). I'm intrigued by Menosky episodes like "Darkling" and "The Thaw" (and "Masks") where the enemy is an idea, an abstract principle given form through technology. More specifically: I like "Darkling" because it gives Kes some real growth as a character as well as for its philosophical musings. I like "The Fight" and "The Thaw" for their surrealism. I hate boxing, but "The Fight" redeems itself through the Doctor's condemnation of the "sport," and through the fact that it's used as a metaphor for overcoming the fear of pain and damage, whether physical or mental.

And "The Thaw" deserves special mention for giving the Doctor the best entrance ever, when he first arrives in the virtual environment.

"Heroes and Demons": I'm very surprised to see this on a list of weak episodes, since it's a fan favorite. It's the Doctor's first big episode, his first away mission and his first romance, and it's a lot of fun. Plus it features a lively Korngoldian score by Dennis McCarthy.

"Collective": Hmmm... well, I did like Mezoti, and this episode introduced her. That's about it.

"Friendship One": Interesting glimpse into the history of Earth's space exploration, though it does have credibility issues. And at least they remembered Joe Carey existed, even if they only brought him back to kill him.

"Course: Oblivion": Doesn't make a lick of sense, but it's nice to see an alternate version of Voyager where they actually move forward in their lives.

"Sacred Ground": A marvelous challenge of Janeway's worldview and a clever rumination on rationality and faith. And it's a hoot to see Trek aliens played by Keene Curtis, Estelle Harris, and Parley Baer, who are hardly the type of actors you expect to see playing Trek aliens.

"Threshold": Again, what salvages it is Michael Piller's emphasis on character-driven writing. Underneath all the nonsense is a decent attempt to explore Tom Paris.

"Flashback": This is a lot of fun. It does have a couple of problems, mainly a climax that's too technobabbly rather than character-driven, but it's not bad at all.

"Lifesigns", "Coda," "Retrospect": Again, I'm very surprised to see these on a bad-episodes list. "Lifesigns" is a touching romance; "Coda" (once it gets past the time-loop stuff) is an effective thriller that fills in a lot of Janeway backstory (taken by Jeri Taylor from her novel Mosaic); and "Retrospect" is a thought-provoking piece in which Our Heroes are actually allowed to be wrong.

"Fair Trade": Not great, but harmless. And it acknowledged the fact that Voyager was making progress through space and leaving old places and peoples behind, something all too often overlooked later on.

"Repression": At least it made an attempt to find something to do with the moribund idea of the Maquis crew.

"Spirit Folk": Silly, but fun if you turn your brain off, and I love Jay Chattaway's Celtic music in this one.

"Parturition": Not bad at all. A welcome resolution to the Neelix-Kes-Tom triangle.

"Once Upon a Time": A nice, sweet, character-driven episode about the hardships of being the only child aboard Voyager. Good, sensitive music by David Bell (reminiscent of Holst's "Venus").

"Natural Law," "Unforgettable": I can't think of anything to single out for praise, but they're harmless enough.

"Bliss," "Memorial," "The Voyager Conspiracy," "Alice": Can't think of anything nice to say.
 
Merry said:
133: "Fury" (6-23)
Interesting concept but a flawed execution. It had some nice Tuvok/Janeway moments though.

134: "Vis A Vis" (4-20)

Umm ah, I liked Tom's car..that's pretty much it though.

135: "Alliances" (2-14)
This is one of my favourites! Political intrigue and power games, what's not to love?

136: "Fair Haven" (6-11)

An episode that actually dealt with the loneliness of Janeway's position but like with most Voyager episodes interesting idea but failed execution.

137: "Juggernaut" (5-21)

Voyager wanting to sacrifice itself for the planet was noble if a little stupid. The stuff with Torres and the bomb was dull though.

138: "Hope and Fear" (4-26)

This is one of my favourites! People always complain about Voyager never following up on plot lines but this is one where one of Janeway's more dodgy decisions (her alliance with the borg) came back to bite her on the arse. Not to mention it really shows why the Janeway/Seven relationship was one of the most pivotal on the entire show.

139: "Bliss" (5-14)

Mostly an average kind of episode but the part of me that loves a classic sea voyage story got a kick out of the way that weary space traveler had personified the spatial anomaly in a Moby Dick style. Oh and something about the lighting in this episode makes Seven's blue catsuit look extra good.

140: "Think Tank" (5-20)

Not a favourite of mine but it did make me curious about what the phage cure would mean for the Vidians.

141: "Memorial" (6-14)

Not a bad episode actually. It's very much in the style of the original trek, some of the acting is a little less then stellar though mostly from- Wang, Beltran and McNeil.

142: "Time and Again" (1-4)

Ok I liked this one. The idea of knowing the end is coming and trying to stop it. Plus it focused on Paris and Janeway my two favourites in season 1. They had some great moments if you can get past the Burger King outfits :lol:

143: "Alter Ego" (3-14)

This is the one with the Hawaii party and the chick Harry and Tuvok fall for right? It's a good Tuvok episode and I kind of like it. It's not exactly groundbreaking and come on just think how much worse it would be if they focused more on Harry in this episode instead of Tuvok?

144: "The Voyager Conspiracy" (6-9)

This one has a measure of annoyance in it but there are some classic moments that test the loyalties between Janeway/Chakotay and Janeway/Seven, plus it had the first Janeway/Seven scene that made a lot of us think "dude is the captain going to kiss her?"

145: "Good Shepherd" (6-20)

Not much in the good department with this episode but if you like some nice special effects watch the opening few moments where the camera zooms in on Voyager right through the captain's window as she sips her coffee.

146: "Latent Image" (5-11)

Another one of my favourites! What are you doing to me here dude? :lol: Picardo can be a little over the top in his performances but the idea behind this episode is awesome. Think about it, if you were a doctor and faced an unbearable decision and it haunted you for weeks even months after you would most likely take a leave of absence from work and get someone else to take over. But out in the middle of no where with only one trained doctor who happens to be a computer program what do you do? Continue to let the EMH explore his humanity and hope he can get passed his problems to go back to medicine? or not risk it and erase what memory he has of the incident that haunted him?

When trek provides you with an episode that has a question where either side has a good point you know it's a good episode :thumbsup:

147: "Natural Law" (7-22)

It ain't a great episode but there were some nice scenes between Seven and the native girl and I found the way the species (who's name escapes me right now) protected the planet interesting especially when we think of our own society's past efforts or lack of effort in protecting isolated tribal societies.

148: "The Void" (7-15)

Gah! another favourite of mine. Dude this one of the few really good season 7 episodes where Janeway actually felt like acting like her season 1 self. What can you not like?

149: "Dragon's Teeth" (6-7)

Dragon's teeth too? :wtf: Ok even if you don't like the idea behind this most awesome of episodes surely you can appreciate the cool special effects of Voyager flying through a nuclear wasteland of a city escaping from the people they helped to free?

150 and 151: "Equinox" (5-26 and 6-1)

Ok putting aside Beltran's acting, what the heck is wrong with this strangely awesome set of episodes?

152: "Darkling" (3-18)

This one is kind of a bore. But if you hated the Kes/Neelix relationship they break up here and also the doctor goes evil or at least wears dark contact lenses.

153: "Heroes and Demons" (1-12)

Yeah this one is pretty dull. Though you could always watch this before seeing the new Beowolf movie and it might get you in the Viking mood (whatever that means).

154: "Collective" (6-16)

Ignore the oldest borg child and this episode will be better. The idea of this virus is cleverly followed up in the awesome episode "Child's Play" if that is on your list I might just cry though.

155: "Friendship One" (7-21)

There really wasn't anything redeemable about this episode was there?

156: "Course: Oblivion" (5-18)

Another one of my favourites! This episode is how reset button episodes should be done. Showing you what might have been and leaving you with a tinge of sadness. Not by putting a bandaid on a plot issue and pretending it never happened *cough* Year of Hell *cough*

157: "Sacred Ground" (3-7)

This is one of these episodes where if you don't much like Janeway you won't really get why it's important. When it's only you in charge and your instincts are solely powered by science taking a leap of faith is the scariest thing you can ever do.

158: "Threshold" (2-15)

When you watch this episode don't take it seriously. Pretend you are watching the writers of B grade scifi/horror movies take your characters on wild journey of wacky science and bizzare situations. Oh and to make your time extra entertaining serve tongue to your guests when showing this episode, they will appreciate the irony or never speak to you again. Either way it will be a night to remember.

159: "Flashback" (3-2)

Ignore fat child Janeway and remember she likes and admires the old captains so don't get your panties in a knot.

160: "Lifesigns" (2-19)

Nah this one sucked but it had an interesting deleted scene if you can find it.

161: "Coda" (3-15)

This one is pretty good. Janeway tells the alien/devil guy to f*ck off and we get some amazing speeches from the crew.

162: "Alice" (6-5)

Alice is hot but that's pretty much it. Oh and it's a Paris episode and they are less sucky then Chakotay or Harry episodes.

163: "Retrospect" (4-17)

I can't even remember this one.

164: "The Fight" (5-19)

My god this one sucked, don't touch it with a ten foot pole!

165: "Fair Trade" (3-13)

There is nothing good about Chuckles/Paris scenes and the Ferengi *puke*

166: "Repression" (7-4)

This my least favourite of episodes ever. I watched it thinking "wow this is exciting look at how this is going to open old wounds", only for them to all be happy at the end eating popcorn :rollseyes: PURE CRAP

167: "Unforgettable" (4-22)

If you like the guest actress watch it but otherwise it's completely forgettable.

168: "Spirit Folk" (6-17)

Maybe Harry kissing the cow is the only thing decent going on here.

169: "The Thaw" (2-23)

Gah! another favourite of mine! Even if the clowns are annoying watch the last 5 mins for the Janeway Clown pwn scene.

170: "Twisted" (2-6)

Janeway saying doggy poo, what's not to love?

171: "Parturition" (2-7)

Is this one with the spaghetti hair flinging comp? because that's amusing. Just ignore the creature they stole from the Jurassic Park set.

172: "Once Upon a Time" (5-5)

Kind of brings home the danger of having kids in space but yeah not completely effective.
 
For those who wonder where I'm coming from with my opinions, this thread contains my mini-reviews as I went through the series on DVD:

Voyager Reviews

Thanks again for the help.
 
CapricaSolstice said:
165: "Fair Trade" (3-13)

There is nothing good about Chuckles/Paris scenes and the Ferengi *puke*

You're thinking of "False Profits." "Fair Trade" was the episode involving Neelix and his disreputable old friend Wixiban on a station in the Nekrit Expanse.
 
Christopher said:
CapricaSolstice said:
165: "Fair Trade" (3-13)

There is nothing good about Chuckles/Paris scenes and the Ferengi *puke*

You're thinking of "False Profits." "Fair Trade" was the episode involving Neelix and his disreputable old friend Wixiban on a station in the Nekrit Expanse.

Yep. As I said much earlier in the thread, it's the episode where the guy in my avatar - Wixiban, played by James Nardini - appears. In my opinion, it's one of the few good Neelix episodes. :)
 
Christopher said:
CapricaSolstice said:
165: "Fair Trade" (3-13)

There is nothing good about Chuckles/Paris scenes and the Ferengi *puke*

You're thinking of "False Profits." "Fair Trade" was the episode involving Neelix and his disreputable old friend Wixiban on a station in the Nekrit Expanse.

Ah well that episode wasn't too bad then. Damn dyslexia ;)
 
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