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Festival, Festival

Tom

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I saw 'Return of the Archons' again recently. Maybe I missed something, but what was the point of the Festival? Was it so Landau could give up control for a little while, and do maintenance on it's systems, or was it to let the humans experience some relief from it's control? It also goes against it's claim of a peaceful society. I also wonder how many times they have the 'Festival'? seems like a lot of damage to fix up afterwards.

I also like how this was a pretext to how the Borg operate, in a way.
 
What are the chances that Kirk always shows up at the most interesting times...100%. ;)
 
I saw 'Return of the Archons' again recently. Maybe I missed something, but what was the point of the Festival? Was it so Landau could give up control for a little while, and do maintenance on it's systems, or was it to let the humans experience some relief from it's control? It also goes against it's claim of a peaceful society.

That we can't really tell is what makes this episode so much better.

However, in the teaser we already learn that the local society is in a state of constant change: our heroes beam down in costumes that are all wrong and result in the landing party cover getting blown, presumably because those were the correct ones when they last checked. Which must have been just hours ago!

It would make sense for Landru to try everything within its powers to steer the society under its rule towards the optimum. And this means experimentation, or else Landru would already have gotten there. Perhaps the place looks so much like small town America because Landru is currently running a social experiment based on data it confiscated from the Archon, and jumping ahead a century at a time?

I also wonder how many times they have the 'Festival'?

Not too often, because our heroes' cover story (invented for them by the natives they encounter!) involves them arriving for the festival. It's clearly a big event, even if the sandbox in which Landru plays is a small one (only one Town and one Valley, it seems, or else the heroes and the "Archons" both zeroing in on this apparent "capital of Landru" complete with the lair for the master computer would be too unlikely).

We could argue the Festival is related to the big change that suddenly outdated the costumes Sulu's landing party wore. Perhaps the society changes several times a year - but then the natives would need to suffer from pretty frequent forced amnesia, and the organizing of secret resistance clubs would be all the more difficult. A change once in a lifetime, or once per five generations, would cover all the bases, but perhaps leave the Festivals too widely separated (if they indeed tie into the changes at all).

seems like a lot of damage to fix up afterwards.

Oh, I dunno. The rioters actually take great care not to shatter any windows (apart from some very small panes next to a doorway)! Those are presumably too expensive in the reality of the fiction, in addition to being that in the reality of the studio backlot...

Timo Saloniemi
 
What are the chances that Kirk always shows up at the most interesting times...100%. ;)
Oops, I guess the way I put it could sound like Festival leads to more births due to more procreation done out of wild abandon. Blish's idea was the reverse; the birthrate is normally higher than the death rate because it's too peaceful and people just don't die fast enough, so Festival culls the population because more people die in the big wave of violence.

Kor
 
Is it ever established why Landru took control over the planet/town/whatever?
Were they previously advanced enough to have 23rd century like computers a century ago but have been reverted back to living in the 1800s through Landru's control over them?
Or was Landru an alien to the planet?


Oops, I guess the way I put it could sound like Festival leads to more births due to more procreation done out of wild abandon. Blish's idea was the reverse; the birthrate is normally higher than the death rate because it's too peaceful and people just don't die fast enough, so Festival culls the population because more people die in the big wave of violence.

Kor
Perhaps a little of each?
Not that many people are murdered every year for a cull to be needed.
 
Is it ever established why Landru took control over the planet/town/whatever?
Were they previously advanced enough to have 23rd century like computers a century ago but have been reverted back to living in the 1800s through Landru's control over them?
Or was Landru an alien to the planet?
Landru appears to have been a native Betan
Return of the Archons said:
REGER: There was war. Convulsions. The world was destroying itself. Landru was our leader. He saw the truth. He changed the world. He took us back, back to a simple time. A time of peace and tranquillity.
A reactionary with access to advanced technology, some of which is thousands of years old
KIRK: A lighting panel.
SPOCK: Amazing in this culture.
REGER: Comes from a time before Landru.
KIRK: Before Landru? How long ago was that?
REGER: Nobody knows positively. Some say as long ago as six thousand years.
 
The Purge films ripped off Return of The Archons!!!
JB
Wiki hints that Roddenberry may have created the idea of the Festival based on:
  • Kronia, an Ancient Greek holiday in which limitations are temporarily lifted.
  • Saturnalia, the most popular of Roman festivals. Dedicated to the Roman god Saturn.
  • Two Minutes Hate, from Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Gene sure loved his Greek and Roman Mythology, so, I can buy it.
 
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I asked Santa Claus if he could bring me one of those hollow tubes for Christmas.
 
Here are some script excerpts that might (or might not) be illuminating.

From the first draft, when Lindstrom was Luster and Beta III was Beta 3000:

In Act I, in Reger’s house after the Festival has started:
LUSTER
But I’m a sociologist! Don’t you
know what that is out there?

KIRK
I’ve got a pretty good idea.

LUSTER
It’s as obvious as the nose on your face! Bacchanal! Carnival!
Saturnalia! The expulsion of
frustrations!
(almost whispering)
We saw them on the street… so
mild and friendly… and now listen!
You can’t expect me to….

KIRK
I can and I do. This is no
expedition to study the folkways of
Beta 3000.

In Act II, as Reger leads the landing party to the subterranean “safe place:”
KIRK
I’m going to want a lot of answers,
Mr. Spock. This Festival of theirs
… the reaction of those Lawgivers
back there…

SPOCK
It’s obviously involved, captain.
The Festival seems to be simply a
means of blowing off repressions…
A safety valve…

KIRK
For what? Why?

SPOCK
That is the question, captain. At
this point, I simply do not know.

From Act I of the final draft (shooting) script. Dialogue from a scene in Reger’s house, filmed but not used:
LINDSTROM
Captain, I’m a sociologist. Don’t
you realize what’s happening out
there?

KIRK
(patiently)
Mr. Lindstrom, our mission is to
find evidence of the missing Star
Ship Archon, and Lt. O’Neil. It
is not to get involved with –

LINDSTROM
But it’s Bacchanal! Saturnalia!
Occurring spontaneously…
simultaneously… I’ve got to
know more…
 
What happens when you supress emotion is something TOS dealt with a lot, with the whole concept of Vulcans, and here. Does it work? Are pressure valves needed? So much is left for the viewer to chew over. It's much better not having it spelled out. A system like this is very seductive to a certain kind of person, and this episode might be the best and scariest cautionary distopia story Trek ever did. It's dead serious business.. and it's treated that way, Iike a novel or film.
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I never thought of the resulting death rate vs the birth rate... who knows how that would balance out. The festival would increase both. It's hard to imagine these bloodless people procreating without a Festival though. But deaths from natural causes would continue. Okay, I'm figuring it out as we speak...
 
As to why, we're never told. Which I like.

Can't possibly agree more. We don't need an explanation. And as far as it being a forerunner for the Borg, that's just silly TrekBBS type "I have to make everything fit together" bullshit nonsense. Puh-lease :rolleyes: That is unless someone can point me to concrete evidence of a link from Return of the Archons to the introduction of the Borg in Next Gen.
 
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