Female Villain for 4th reboot film
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Five films actually. Don't forget about Insurrection and Nemesis. All villains who are angry at the good guys and want them destroyed. And in what I can only surmise as unintentional by the filmmakers, the only villain from these five films who's motivation actually makes sense is freaking Ru'afo. Again, that's probably because I hate the Baku just as much as he did.
If you ask me what Star Trek needs at this point when it comes to an adversary, I'd say it needs another Doomsday Machine. Now give me a minute! I'll try to explain. The Doomsday Machine episode from TOS I believe is the pinnacle of how Star Trek handles action that is truly unique to the franchise. For one thing, it makes the Enterprise a far more important setting given that the only way to tackle the machine is with the Starship. And if there's one thing that these JJ Abrams movies haven't really done so well is feature the Enterprise as a vital part of the story. The other thing it does is allow our characters to work through overcoming an obstacle instead of listening to a villain dump exposition after exposition in order to understand their motivation. You don't have motivation with the Doomsday Machine. It simply 'is'.
And on a final note, I think Star Trek is long overdue in the space battle department that isn't one-sided.
The exposition could come from someone who isn't a villain per se, just someone who would rather study something than kill it, but who finally (redemptively) comes to realize there's no other way.
TNG tried that already and it didn't work.
Give Janice Lester an origin story that makes up for that embarrassment of an episode, and I might be intrigued.
I'm torn on this whole idea. Sure, it would be great for inclusion and representation and all. But the industry doesn't seem very capable, from where I'm sitting so feel free to correct me, of creating a good female villain who isn't a terrible misogynistic trope. But please prove me wrong.
There's also a part of me that would like there to be NO villain, but I know that isn't possible in the industry right now.
As played by Rihanna! The Sledgehammer music video was a prequel all along -- we just didn't realize it.
The leader of the Dominion was played by a woman and the character presented as female. I'd think she counts. Warmongering was her game.
1. A cross between "The Enterprise Incident" (TOS), "Unification" (TNG), and "The Defector" (TNG) - Ambassador Spock has been in contact with the Romulan government, using the desperation of the Vulcan situation and his foreknowledge of the various sympathies of people on Romulus to try to negotiate getting the Romulan government to allow Vulcan sympathizers who wish to join the New Vulcan colony to do so. They have finally agreed, and they have sent The Romulan Commander to escort colonization ships filled with these sympathizers to meet the Enterprise and then to continue with the Enterprise to escort them to New Vulcan. But of course, unbenownst to her or Kirk, the "colonists" are actually an invasion force being escorted by cloaked ships that plan to turn on the Enterprise *and* the Commander's ship once they're far enough into Federation space. (Turns out, she's made herself politically unpopular with warmongerers in her Empire by arguing to free and transport the disidents.) Both the Enterprise and the Romulan Commander's ship end up damaged but escape the ambush, requiring the crews to work together to get the Enterprise going again (because she's the least damaged) so they can stop the invasion. This also results in the Enterprise ending up with the Commander's ship's cloaking device installed. 
2. A temporally displaced version of the USS Voyager (an alternate that resulted from some time shenanigans from their series - maybe a timeline where they weren't successful at stopping the events at Chronowerx?) with Janeway in command has appeared and is doing some disturbing things, and the Enterprise is sent to investigate, resulting in Kirk vs Janeway (played by Mulgrew) and Enterprise vs Voyager (with as much of the original Voyager crew as possible), with both convinced they must win to save something important from their perspectives. I'll admit I don't have this one fleshed out - and also, that I don't care much about the justification for the fight.
(It does occur to me that *whatever* she's doing might be a setup for causing the Borg to show up "early" in a later movie. )
2. A temporally displaced version of the USS Voyager (an alternate that resulted from some time shenanigans from their series - maybe a timeline where they weren't successful at stopping the events at Chronowerx?) with Janeway in command has appeared and is doing some disturbing things, and the Enterprise is sent to investigate, resulting in Kirk vs Janeway (played by Mulgrew) and Enterprise vs Voyager (with as much of the original Voyager crew as possible), with both convinced they must win to save something important from their perspectives. I'll admit I don't have this one fleshed out - and also, that I don't care much about the justification for the fight.
(It does occur to me that *whatever* she's doing might be a setup for causing the Borg to show up "early" in a later movie. )
Oooooh. Sorry for the double post, but... how about Guinan, who has gone mad from how much everything seems "wrong" to her, and is trying to put things "right"?
As played by Rihanna! The Sledgehammer music video was a prequel all along -- we just didn't realize it.
Now thats a good idea. A female villian would be kick ass. I can see rihanna playing the main villian too. It would work. Now that would draw more crowds to see the film too. Great idea 100%. Where do i sign the petition f that?! Or lets make one happen.
We know that George Kirk will be involved in ST 4 and the only way for that to happen is via time travel or the Mirror Universe version of him. I propose they go the Mirror Universe route and have the villain be......
Evil Mirror Universe Uhura. Along with her sidekick-evil bearded Mirror Universe Spock. It'll be great. I picture Uhura in the vein of Mirror Kira or Hoshi. No need to cast somebody new.
Evil Mirror Universe Uhura. Along with her sidekick-evil bearded Mirror Universe Spock. It'll be great. I picture Uhura in the vein of Mirror Kira or Hoshi. No need to cast somebody new.
Somehow someway the Mirror version of Kirk died the day of his birth instead of George and Mirror George meets up with Kelvin Kirk. The story writes itself.
I think a female villain or just antagonist would be a good idea.
The concept of a Mirror Narada and Mirror Nero kind of implies that they would be from the future of the Mirror Universe we're used to from the TOS and DS9 episodes. Which seems doubtful, since the last time we saw that universe it really didn't seem to be in a state that would have an Ambassador (Mirror) Spock or a Mirror Jellyfish to try to stop the Mirror Hobus supernova and thus fling the Narada back in time. So maybe someone else working with Mirror Nero tried to stop it some other way (and succeeded???), and the Mirror Narada got flung back, but to someplace where the Kelvin didn't even encounter it? (Or maybe, NOT being all angry and vengeful about the destruction of his mirror wife and homeworld, he came out simply looking for a way home - and the Mirror Kelvin took advantage and stole the Narada? Presumably proceeding to go wipe out a Klingon fleet and get captured for a while, just for balance?)
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