Fed ships v klingons v rommies v cardassians

[ATW]

But the Defiant Class will be spotted coming in. No good being a Calvary ship if you're spotted on long range sensors. The Defiant Class isn't going to make into into the middle of some enemy territory without a cloaking device of some sort. While the BoP, can raid a territory and if all goes well be out of there before the **** hits the fan!

I will agree though, the Defiant Class will do better in a ship to ship fights, but I can't ever remember seeing the Defiant able to enter a planets orbit and fire upon specific installations.

Also, in a Calvary charge, it doesn't matter that you can't stand up to a Cardassian Warship or a Romulan Warbird as the idea is to go in, hit your target and get out of there as fast as you can.

 

[cwl]

well I was thinking about fleet engagements where cloaks don't really matter so much.

the Defiant with a cloak can sneak into sectors, cause a tremendous amount of damage before escaping. the BoP on the other hand relies on superior numbers, they often operate in two's or threes- to take on hard targets.

that's why I think the Klingon's will have learned that after their heavy losses in the Dominion Wars that the BoP design is not rugged enough. I think they will have learned a lot from the Defiant.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I perceive the Cardassians as having tech at a lower level than the other major empires...or at least they used to.

Sadly, even I, as a Cardassian supporter, must concede this point.

However, I would warn that underestimating them is dangerous: a lot of guls seem to have a VERY good grasp on how to use what they have against more technologically powerful opponents. So on their own, yes...their ships are weaker.

But if you rank Cardassian guls against commanders of other races' ships, I have a feeling they're going to come up right next to the Federation's captains. And this makes going up against the Cardassians a lot more dangerous than you might think based on a technological survey alone.

 

[Xerxes1979]

Cardassian tech is sufficiently dangerous. In VYG episode "Dreadnought" the well thought of Intrepid class is not able to stop the missile in direct combat.

That was a warship that used more or less off the shelf pre-Dominion technology, unless you believe the Maquis tinkering made it extra lethal.

 

[cwl]

well the Intrepid class isnt that powerful- but managed to survive the Borg time & time again... its all upto the writers

 

[Jono]

Personally I've never been particularly impressed by the Romulan vessels, especially the D'deridex. It seems to be more show than go.

 

[TheMasterOfOrion]

Personally I've never been particularly impressed by the Romulan vessels, especially the D'deridex. It seems to be more show than go.

I love the Dderidex, it might lack the killer punch of a modern Klingon NV but it is the far superior ship IMO

What its got going for it

Its got moves
Fast and an almost impossible to detect Cloaking device
A Smart ship, very Brainy
Should easily be able to analyze weird matter block it, copy it etc It's crew a well trained, smart and passionate. There's a reason the Romulans have been giving the Federations Galaxy Class a run for their money
Soaks up blows, high durability
I don't think I've ever seen a Dderidex get one-shotted, they have strong shielding and a highly durable hull. Even when they get ambushed they don't go down too easy

Only factor not there on this vessel:

Lethal Striking power
This punch factor is the only thing the D'deridex ship is missing and IMO to obsess over offensive weapons while have no other capability is a very misguided attitude

Anyhow if you want your Rommie ships to pack a bit more punch you can always go for the Valdore class
or amp things up even more and go for the Scimitar (huge fire power, perfect cloak and a bay full of attack fighters)

 

[I am not Spock]

The weak link in the Klingon armada is the ageing K'tinga Class cruisers. They got seriously owned by DS9's upgraded weapons systems in Way Of The Warrior. What's more, the KDF seemed to use those rustbuckets for over two centuries! They appear in Enterprise, for god's sake!

The Bird of Prey is showing its age as well.

 

[Jono]

The weak link in the Klingon armada is the ageing K'tinga Class cruisers. They got seriously owned by DS9's upgraded weapons systems in Way Of The Warrior. What's more, the KDF seemed to use those rustbuckets for over two centuries! They appear in Enterprise, for god's sake!

The Bird of Prey is showing its age as well.

I don't remember seeing a K't'inga in Enterprise, but I do remember the similar D-5.

Well, the Feds are also using Mirandas and Excelsiors which are around the same age.

It would be nice if we got a bit more variety for non-Fed ships. It seems odd that the Federation has dozens of classes with a new one appearing every five years.

Take the TNG era, we got the Galaxy, Nebula, Akira, Steamrunner, Sabre, Norway, Defiant, Intrepid, Nova, Prometheus, Centuar, Freedom, Challenger, Curry/Raging Queen, attack fighter, 6 types of shuttles, danube, Yeager, Sovereign, New Orleans, and more if you want to include conjectule classes/mentioned but not seen classes like the Chimera, Sequioa, Wambunda, Bradbury, Istanbul, Renassiance, and several more.

Now the Klingons: Vor'cha, Negh'Var, Toron shuttle

and the Romulans: D'deridex, scout, Valdore type, 1 shuttle

 

[ATW]

Double post please delete

 

[ATW]

Its got moves
Fast and an almost impossible to detect Cloaking device

To be fair, I'm still not sure this is correct. Due to it's size the D' deridex is a rather cumbersome vessel, with a tendency to not do so well in major ship engagements due to it's manoeuvrability. (Where the helll did I read this)

Although I do love the Valdore. That my friends is the ultimate ship for me. Not to mention it looks soooo sexy!

 

[Spock_is_my_god]

I like the millenium falcon, and that one that darth vader drives. Don't you think it was really cool when spock ran over borat in that car on the fast and the furious. Y'know, that silver one with the spoiler. And than his dog turned into a zombie and he strangled it.

 

[Myasishchev]

Personally I've never been particularly impressed by the Romulan vessels, especially the D'deridex. It seems to be more show than go.

I wonder if most of the D'Deridex' problems stem directly from the Romulans' obsession with alternative fuels, which appears to limit their ships' speed and possibly their shielding capacities, not to mention being failure-prone. This has possibly been overcome by the time the Valdore and Scimitar came around--I suspect they have M/A reactors as opposed to the singularity power cores around which the D'Ds are built, given that the Scimitar at least is said to be armed with photon (M/A) torpedoes.

 

[cwl]

Starfleet has more classes of starships than everyone else combined lol

 

[Ace77]

Regarding Cardassian technology, they had inferior general tech level compared to the other major powers, but their weapons technolgy were quite advanced, perhaps on par with the other great powers as evidenced with the Dreadnaught missile and Orbital weapons platforms. The major achilles heel for the Cardassians is that they lacked the resources to mass produce advanced weapons on par with the other great powers...not until they joined the Dominion and had the resources to upgrade their ships and weapons.

 

[I am not Spock]

The weak link in the Klingon armada is the ageing K'tinga Class cruisers. They got seriously owned by DS9's upgraded weapons systems in Way Of The Warrior. What's more, the KDF seemed to use those rustbuckets for over two centuries! They appear in Enterprise, for god's sake!

The Bird of Prey is showing its age as well.

I don't remember seeing a K't'inga in Enterprise, but I do remember the similar D-5.

The D7/K'tinga was in the ep 'Unexpected' in ENT season 1.

And in the new JJ film, actually, during the Kobayashi Maru sequence.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Regarding Cardassian technology, they had inferior general tech level compared to the other major powers, but their weapons technolgy were quite advanced, perhaps on par with the other great powers as evidenced with the Dreadnaught missile and Orbital weapons platforms. The major achilles heel for the Cardassians is that they lacked the resources to mass produce advanced weapons on par with the other great powers...not until they joined the Dominion and had the resources to upgrade their ships and weapons.

Interesting point about the weapons--but then, why was it one Galor couldn't go up against the Enterprise, weapons-wise, in "The Wounded"?

 

[Ace77]

Regarding Cardassian technology, they had inferior general tech level compared to the other major powers, but their weapons technolgy were quite advanced, perhaps on par with the other great powers as evidenced with the Dreadnaught missile and Orbital weapons platforms. The major achilles heel for the Cardassians is that they lacked the resources to mass produce advanced weapons on par with the other great powers...not until they joined the Dominion and had the resources to upgrade their ships and weapons.

Interesting point about the weapons--but then, why was it one Galor couldn't go up against the Enterprise, weapons-wise, in "The Wounded"?

I think that the Cardassians do have the potential and ability to make powerful weapons or ships but due to lack of resources they opted to make more of lesser ships than make fewer powerful ships. That said, the Galaxy class at the time was the Federations most advanced ship, so the Galors were no match for them one on one. They prefer to send the Galors in groups....strength in numbers.