And we need his wife showing McCoy around Sickbay to show off all the gadgets.He also needs to be demoted from full admiral to commodore and pretend he was actually an ambassador in SNW instead of still in Starfleet.
And we need his wife showing McCoy around Sickbay to show off all the gadgets.He also needs to be demoted from full admiral to commodore and pretend he was actually an ambassador in SNW instead of still in Starfleet.
He also needs to be demoted from full admiral to commodore and pretend he was actually an ambassador in SNW instead of still in Starfleet.
And we need his wife showing McCoy around Sickbay to show off all the gadgets.
Exactly.Do we?
No. No we don’t.
Well…mostly. I am, of course, but the rest of you…Spoiler alert: we aren't.

Fun fact: This is already how the powers that be do it, how they have always done it, they just don't say it out loud.This thread got me thinking. In the TTRPG RuneQuest, set in the fantasy world of Glorantha, the creator Greg Stafford famously said "Your Glorantha Will Vary", meaning essentially "take what you like from the source books, discard what you don't, make whatever shit you want up, your version is as good as the 'official' one". His belief was that the setting should fuel stories people wanted to tell, rather than stories being limited and restricted by the weight of the setting.
I feel like all new Star Trek writers should be given an equivalent "Your Star Trek Will Vary" directive, encouraging them to tell whatever story they want, up to and including directly contradicting and/or fucking around with existing """canon""". Write a story with Kirk alive in the 2380s that just doesn't mention him taking a bridge to the face in Generations, who gives a shit.
If this attitude was adopted then none of the perceived violations of SNW would matter to begin with since future writers could/would just ignore SNW anyway.
Very good idea.This thread got me thinking. In the TTRPG RuneQuest, set in the fantasy world of Glorantha, the creator Greg Stafford famously said "Your Glorantha Will Vary", meaning essentially "take what you like from the source books, discard what you don't, make whatever shit you want up, your version is as good as the 'official' one". His belief was that the setting should fuel stories people wanted to tell, rather than stories being limited and restricted by the weight of the setting.
I feel like all new Star Trek writers should be given an equivalent "Your Star Trek Will Vary" directive, encouraging them to tell whatever story they want, up to and including directly contradicting and/or fucking around with existing """canon""". Write a story with Kirk alive in the 2380s that just doesn't mention him taking a bridge to the face in Generations, who gives a shit.
If this attitude was adopted then none of the perceived violations of SNW would matter to begin with since future writers could/would just ignore SNW anyway.
Wibbly wobbly time wimey.They've already sufficiently retconned things to get us to 2063.
Well - it's the same for many a Trek fan.I feel like that is also how Conan Doyle and Frank Baum handled their famous stories, and yet fans (myself included sadly) made an entire game out of trying to explain why, for example, Watson was named James once, or why the Wizard had never heard of Ozma before despite it being said that he sold her to a witch previously. I think there's just something about the human brain that causes *some* of us to try and fix/mend/paperover contradictions. Like that false memory thing from Bioshock Infinite. I think it might just be a random quirk, like being left handed. I can't help it!

Many of us from the 'old days' know that Trek continuity is ANYTHING BUT internally consistent; BUT we liked to try and rationize everything and explain it away in a sometimes convoluted fashion
^ I'm not even sure what that means.
Canon became the first question asked about a story. It isn't, "is the story good?" It's not, "here's why I like the story." It's all about how it fits in to the preordained order of the canon.^ I'm not even sure what that means.
No one is brow beating anyone. Hell, it was GR in 1987 who said:We also didn't have the studio trying to brow beat us into accepting things the way CBS is constantly doing. They put out product and we watched it and figured out how to put it all together.
They essentially took away our imagination.

No one is brow beating anyone. Hell, it was GR in 1987 who said:
"What's on screen in live action is canon...the rest isn't..."
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