Enterprise-C after Narendra III

[JesterFace]

In 'Yesterday's Enterprise' Enterprise-C goes back through time to fight Romulans. The ship is presumed destroyed. Later Sela reveals there were survivors, Tasha Yar being one of them. Tasha's daughter Sela reveals that the remaining survivors from Enterprise-C were saved because Tasha promised to be Romulan officers mate.

Is there any information on those officers? Particularly interesting would be to know what happened to Richard Castillo, officer who lead Enterprise-C into battle. Did he survive? If he did, what happened to him?

 

[marlboro]

There was a short story in one of the Strange New Worlds anthologies that featured Castillio. In it he survived the battle and escaped. It's called " The Fourth Toast. "

I don't hate Sela, but her backstory really screws up the fantastic ending of Yesterday's Enterprise for me.

 

[Dukhat]

In 'Yesterday's Enterprise' Enterprise-C goes back through time to fight Romulans. The ship is presumed destroyed. Later Sela reveals there were survivors, Tasha Yar being one of them. Tasha's daughter Sela reveals that the remaining survivors from Enterprise-C were saved because Tasha promised to be Romulan officers mate.

Is there any information on those officers? Particularly interesting would be to know what happened to Richard Castillo, officer who lead Enterprise-C into battle. Did he survive? If he did, what happened to him?

There is no canon information about any of the survivors.

 

[JesterFace]

I don't hate Sela, but her backstory really screws up the fantastic ending of Yesterday's Enterprise for me.

There is a positive side on what 'Redemtion' told us about about Enterprise-C.

In 'Yesterdays' Enterprise' Castillo told his prediction on what was going to happen:
"We're going into battle, we're not coming back."

In 'Redemption' we get to know there were survivors, so maybe that's a silverlining in this case.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I suspect that any survivors would have envied their dead comrades.

Any of the Enterprise-C crew who survived the battle would surely have been subjected to interrogation, torture and eventual execution by the Romulans.

As for Sela, she is of course an unreliable narrator. Even if she says that the survivors were spared (in exchange for Tasha becoming a Romulan general’s sex slave), there’s no reason we ahould believe her. These ARE Romulans, after all...

And even on the off chance that the deal Sela spoke of was on the level? It would certainly have been null and void once Tasha attempted escape. At that point, all of the survivors would have been executed anyway, even if the original deal had been legitimate.

 

[Marsden]

I don't hate Sela, but her backstory really screws up the fantastic ending of Yesterday's Enterprise for me.

Really, does shot in the back by a Romulan sound better than getting killed by a puddle of ink and metamucil? That's kind of even money there.

 

[Crewman6]

I suspect that any survivors would have envied their dead comrades.

Any of the Enterprise-C crew who survived the battle would surely have been subjected to interrogation, torture and eventual execution by the Romulans.

As for Sela, she is of course an unreliable narrator. Even if she says that the survivors were spared (in exchange for Tasha becoming a Romulan general’s sex slave), there’s no reason we ahould believe her. These ARE Romulans, after all...

And even on the off chance that the deal Sela spoke of was on the level? It would certainly have been null and void once Tasha attempted escape. At that point, all of the survivors would have been executed anyway, even if the original deal had been legitimate.

You seem to think that Romulans are amoral savages.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You seem to think that Romulans are amoral savages.

No, not really. Just trying to examine the situation from the perspective of Romulan state security. What would you expect the Romulan government to do with these survivors?

 

[Crewman6]

No, not really. Just trying to examine the situation from the perspective of Romulan state security. What would you expect the Romulan government to do with these survivors?

I agree they'd certainly be interrogated, but then probably just left to quietly live out their lives in prison.

There'd be nothing to gain by killing them, it would just be needlessly bloodthirsty.

 

[Marsden]

I agree they'd certainly be interrogated, but then probably just left to quietly live out their lives in prison.

There'd be nothing to gain by killing them, it would just be needlessly bloodthirsty.

The don't eat if they are dead. You can't do bizarre medical experiments and expect to keep them alive too long. Target practice! There's all kinds of gain by not keeping them too long.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I agree they'd certainly be interrogated, but then probably just left to quietly live out their lives in prison.

Why should we expect the Romulans to waste resources towards the feeding and housing of prisoners who are no longer of any strategic value?

And again, as soon as Tasha tried to escape with Sela, any deal regarding the survival of said prisoners would certainly be off the table. Once that occurred, the Ent-C survivors were probably all executed. After all, they were only kept alive in the first place because Tasha agreed to become that general's sex slave...

 

[Crewman6]

Why should we expect the Romulans to waste resources towards the feeding and housing of prisoners who are no longer of any strategic value?

And again, as soon as Tasha tried to escape with Sela, any deal regarding the survival of said prisoners would certainly be off the table. Once that occurred, the Ent-C survivors were probably all executed. After all, they were only kept alive in the first place because Tasha agreed to become that general's sex slave...

Why does our society spend resources keeping criminals alive who are not of strategic value, whether in wartime or civilian criminals? Because we're not monsters.

There's no reason to think Romulans are just amoral assholes who will kill prisoners for kicks.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Romulans may not be “amoral assholes”, but they are ruthless.

They wouldn’t execute the Ent-C survivors for “kicks”, they’d do it because they would see no reason to keep the prisoners alive. A quick, efficient execution would not necessarily be bloodthirsty; it would be the easiest way for the Romulans to rid themselves of prisoners who are no longer of any use to the state.

 

[USS Triumphant]

They wouldn’t execute the Ent-C survivors for “kicks”, they’d do it because they would see no reason to keep the prisoners alive.

Logically, there *is* no reason. And the Romulans aren't so far removed from their cousins, I think.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Logically, there *is* no reason. And the Romulans aren't so far removed from their cousins, I think.

If you're suggesting that the Vulcans would be as ruthless as the Romulans? I disagree.

Vulcan, being a member of the Federation, would surely abide by Federation law regarding the humane treatment of prisoners. Romulus, OTOH, would have no such law.

The Romulan state is, as we've seen many times, an absolute dictatorship, with no regard for individual rights and freedoms. Whereas the Federation would seek to return any prisoners in its custody as soon as possible, I see no reason to suspect that the Romulans would extend that same courtesy to ITS prisoners.

Unless there were Romulans being held in Federation custody (in which case the Romulan government may seek to keep the prisoners alive so an exchange can be made), there is literally no reason why the survivors from the Enterprise-C would have any hope of survival. Once they've exhausted their usefulness to the state, they would be quietly and efficiently done away with. That's just what totalitarian governments do.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Well. That was... verbose. No, I'm saying that Vulcanoids probably have a tendency toward logic and stoicism, and while Vulcans act the way they do, informed by their culture, a logic informed by *Romulan* culture would probably be very cold and calculatingly unsympathetic in determining a disposition for prisoners whose usefulness to them is at an end.

 

[Dukhat]

I agree they'd certainly be interrogated, but then probably just left to quietly live out their lives in prison.

Or be sent to the Reman mines to mine dilithium, like what happened to Shinzon. That's much more humane than death, huh?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or be sent to the Reman mines to mine dilithium, like what happened to Shinzon. That's much more humane than death, huh?

I should think that death would be more humane than being sent to work in the mines.

 

[Timo]

Yes, it's certainly a human thing to consider death merciful.

Since most woes in Trek are reversible, though, the logic in that comes a bit short. If you can choose between having all your limbs torn off and getting phasered into oblivion, but only the former comes with the option of walking back to your family to resume your career in gymnastics, how do you choose?

Shinzon is a good example of what Romulans do to prisoners who not only are useless but actually a security risk as long as they continue to exist at all: they are allowed to continue to exist, and make-work is found for them. What would be different with the E-C crew?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JesterFace]

Enterprise-C went back about twenty years from the time TNG took place.
I wonder what happened to those prisoners in that 20 years before TNG started.
It might have been an interesting plot to try to discover their fate, although Federation probably didn't even know there were survivors from Enterprise-C as the ship was presumed lost. (if I remember correctly)

 

[Mojochi]

You know, there is one example of Romulans taking prisoners that does tend to fly in the face of thinking they must always be ruthless cutthroats, which I admit tends to be how they're most frequently presented/portrayed

The Klingon prisoners from Khitomer, on Carraya IV, were not only spared, after interrogation, but they ended up kind of building a community, after the attempt to trade them failed, because a captured Klingon was considered dead by their government.

Kind of makes you wonder what kind of deal was happening to the Narendra III prisoners. If Tasha was taken as a consort, then it's probable they weren't going to be traded, & if she continued to attempt escape (after realizing how much her presence could disrupt the timeline) things must have been bad

 

[JesterFace]

Kind of makes you wonder what kind of deal was happening to the Narendra III prisoners. If Tasha was taken as a consort, then it's probable they weren't going to be traded, & if she continued to attempt escape (after realizing how much her presence could disrupt the timeline) things must have been bad

This is the kind of stuff Star Trek should be these days, filling in blanks from older episodes.
That would be interesting for some people who have already watched Star Trek before but getting new viewers, might not work.
But why not try. Trek audience is big.

 

[Mojochi]

This is the kind of stuff Star Trek should be these days, filling in blanks from older episodes.
That would be interesting for some people who have already watched Star Trek before but getting new viewers, might not work.
But why not try. Trek audience is big.

That's more along the lines of fan fiction. Fleshing out in-universe details is never the launching point of a production. Frankly, we're more fortunate than any other fan base, that our series spends the time it does, giving fan service by throwing out easter eggs & ties-ins as much as they do, but whole productions for that purpose is just a bad business model

IMHO, DS9 was as close as we'll get to that kind of thing. Not that a production about Starfleet POWs doesn't sound exceedingly neat, (IT DOES!) lol, but it's still along those same lines as a show about the academy