"empty" space

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  1. cosmic mouse

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    ...or episodes where the ship enters a "void" of some sort, either voluntarily or against the crew's will. There have to be a number of these:

    VOY "The Void"
    VOY "Night"
    TNG "Where Silence Has Lease"


    etc... ?
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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  3. Timo

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    ENT "Daedalus", too. And the Space Amoeba was surrounded by a void of sorts on "Immunity Syndrome". Even the earliest heroes seem to take these things on the stride - which makes it all the more embarrassing when later heroes express amazement or inability to cope.

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  4. cosmic mouse

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    I guess maybe TNG "Time Squared" as well, although I haven't gotten to that ep yet...
     
  5. Vger23

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    TOS "Squire of Gothos" had the star desert
     
  6. Forbin

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    "The Immunity Syndrome" too.
     
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  8. Forbin

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    Though it's all a bit ridiculous - even if there are no stars in an area, you'll be able to see the stars beyond and around it. Unless, of course, it's a dust cloud. But then it's not a void.
     
  9. Tim Thomason

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    I would also like to point out that "The Immunity Syndrome" featured a "hole in space".

    Most of Space (like 99.999% of it, discounting dark matter), is an empty void outside of star systems. These episodes are just void-ier than others, and sometimes (Immunity Syndrome, WSHL, Squire of Gothos maybe), due to outside forces and unnatural occurrences. I imagine that the Voids encountered in TNG and Voyager were much larger and more unknown than the ones encountered in Enterprise and TOS (minus "The Immunity Syndrome" and "The Time Trap"), which were mapped out and expected.

    There might be star deserts all the time in TNG and Voyager, but they don't get a mention, because they just power through or warp around like always.
     
  10. cosmic mouse

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    ...perhaps I should have said, "space that appears empty or , for one reason or another, was deemed to be a void of sorts by the crew".
     
  11. Timo

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    In ENT "Daedalus", they explicitly say the distant stars (suddenly, in front of our eyes) disappear from view because subspace ("a subspace node, a bubble of curved spacetime"). This if any is a good case of grandfathering in a perfectly fine in-universe rationale for starless voids. Later heroes can then encounter dark voids without comment, or declare a star-lit location "void" or "desert" or whatnot without contradiction. We see both sorts in post-"Daedalus" adventures such as "Squire of Gothos" or "Where Silence Has Lease".

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