One of my favorite episodes has to be E2. I thought it was nice to see possible future offspring and other family members of the NX-O1. I loved how Karen Archer stood up to Lorian who was spoiler-Trip and T'Pol's son. I would love to have seen more done with that. Any thoughts are welcome-just no bashing (I had to leave the original trek board because of severe trolls)
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I remember this one as being a good episode. I just started an Enterprise rewatch, so it'll be a while before I'm in late S3.
I really liked this one, it was epic in scope. I kept hoping Lorien would show up in the recent movies, as a neat "Not. Dead." easter egg.
My only issue was that the ancient Enterprise was even more damaged externally than the present-day version. Surely they'd have found some way to patch up that "Azati Prime" damage in a century. It'd have been cool to see some crude patchwork repairs.
My only issue was that the ancient Enterprise was even more damaged externally than the present-day version. Surely they'd have found some way to patch up that "Azati Prime" damage in a century. It'd have been cool to see some crude patchwork repairs.
This is just my opinion, others might not see it that way. But I thought that the actor they picked to play Lorian vaguely resembled Connor Trinneer.
Lorian had a human father and a Vulcan mother while Spock had a Vulcan father and a human mother.
I think that's what it was. The alternate NX-01 had bits of alien tech grafted onto it. It wasn't damage, it was a hundred years' worth of refits from whatever they could find.
I don't remember being particularly entertained by the episode, and I remember thinking that it upset the flow of the story at that point of the season.
I'm planning a rewatch when I'm done with VOY though so maybe my opinion will change.
I'm planning a rewatch when I'm done with VOY though so maybe my opinion will change.
David Andrews is a fine actor. Did a great job as Lorian. Yet another From the Earth to the Moon alum to do Trek! 
I liked the storyline about Trip and T'Pol and their son Lorian.
After seeing this thread, I rewatched this episode. It was a pretty good episode, and I liked how T'Pol and Archer ponder how they can remember their decendants if they now never existed.
E2 is definitely a good episode, well made and enjoyable.
BUT
In a way it feels a bit like a retread storywise, plus it's a standalone ep that doesn't really affect anything or anyone into the future. There had been other standalones, but of all possible stories, surely meeting your older selves/descendants should have some longer resonance. If the E2 ship had given E1 some crucial information about the Xindi, or if they had interacted in some way with ongoing consequences, I'd probably feel more positive towards this ep.
EDIT: I wonder if the E1 could have taken the E2's crew with them?
E2 always makes me feel sorry for Malcolm.
BUT
In a way it feels a bit like a retread storywise, plus it's a standalone ep that doesn't really affect anything or anyone into the future. There had been other standalones, but of all possible stories, surely meeting your older selves/descendants should have some longer resonance. If the E2 ship had given E1 some crucial information about the Xindi, or if they had interacted in some way with ongoing consequences, I'd probably feel more positive towards this ep.
EDIT: I wonder if the E1 could have taken the E2's crew with them?
I agree with your spoiler. and it keeps nagging at me on rewatch. Though I really enjoyed the Lorian character.
And in regards to your spoiler, I read an interesting fanfic a coup,e of years ago that kind of addressed it...
basically there is a lot of "sharing" of partners. Malcolm very quickly falls for a woman that he then shares with Hayes. And she has kids with both. Interesting take. But i can never picture Malcolm willing to share a woman with anyone. And she was a rather fickle woman at that.imo [\spoiler]
Personally it's one of my least favourite episodes. Lorian had the worst of his parents' individual characteristics and none of what made either of them likeable.
And as for what happened to Malcolm... (having cancelled several editions of my original remark)... sorry, that just came across as another round of Bash the Brit!
And as for what happened to Malcolm... (having cancelled several editions of my original remark)... sorry, that just came across as another round of Bash the Brit!
Fanficcers tend to go for the kinky option, don't they.
OTOTH, wouldn't there be a considerable number of gays on Enterprise?
Sorry about the prior post. Forgot to add my comment.
If I remember correctly, the two Enterprises were working in concert to get them both into the vortex without getting hit by the Kovalans (the aliens that attacked them), which is what sent E1 back in time the first time around. There was no reason to believe Lorian's ship was going to fail to survive or disappear in some sort of temporal reset.
My question is, what would have changed in the last episodes of Season 3 and in Season 4 if Lorian and his people had survived? As a T'Po l/ Tucker shipper, I'm guessing T'Les would have seen her daughter's life differently in 'Home', and Paxton would never have created Elizabeth. She might have already been on the drawing board for Terra Prime, but there would be no reason to go through with it, with the heroic Captain Lorian and his equally brave hybrid crew strutting about the airwaves.
aeverett-Lorian never said that he was Captain of Enterprise. He referrers to his rank as Commander (The same as his parents.) He tells Captain Archer that he made a promise to him on his deathbed that Lorian and his crew would finished what Captain Archer and his crew started.
Not just the crew, I think it would have been cool if the Enterprises teamed up for the rest of the season.
It terms of optics, what matters is that it's his half human/half Vulcan tush in the second Enterprise's captain's chair. He's dedicated his life to the protection of Earth. He's a tortured soul due to not being able to save the first 7 million, including his own aunt, and as far as we can see, he's single. Throw in the fact that he's empirically attractive, with empirically attractive parents, already rumored to be having a romantic relationship, and we're in Most Eligible Bachelor territory the moment both Enterprises get halfway back to Earth. .
As for the previous mention of gay crewmen and women on Enterprise, I doubt it mattered to Archer's crew. They'd still be expected to pair up and reproduce. With that artificial womb we saw fetus-Sim develop in and the technology necessary to create human/alien hybrids, I have no doubt same sex couples could produce offspring for the good of the mission.
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