...because Kirk knows he ain't really "buried alive"?
Doesn't "Khaaaan" lose a bit of punch...
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Yeah, but then again, "Khan... you... you're a jerk." just wouldn't have the same dramatic effect 
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There is also the fact that Kirk was trying to goad Khan into comming down to Kirk and finish it there. He was trying to get Khan from the Reliant in order to give Spock time to repair come back and take out the Reliant with Khan gone thinking it may help out the situation. But either way Kirk was able to get back the upper hand.
Meyer does mention on the DVD commentary that he'd often do take after take with Shatner just to reach the point where the Shat would get tired and just say the line... 
Oh man. That would make such a GREAT blooper reel!
Khan!
KHHAGGGGHHNNNNN!!!
KAH-AHHHHHHHHHN!!!
KAHHHHHH..... NNNN!!!
Khan!
KHHAGGGGHHNNNNN!!!
KAH-AHHHHHHHHHN!!!
KAHHHHHH..... NNNN!!!
And more importantly, the audience.
At this point Kirk has just seen more people die and Genesis stolen out from under him. Plus the Enterprise is in bad shape and he has no idea if Khan will go after her. I'd be pissed too.
If Khan and company came down there, the good guys would have had the element of surprise on their side as they could hide and pick off Khan and co. At the same time I wouldn't want to get into a fight in close quarters with genetic supermen.
I would imagine that Kirk really was angry. In everyday discussions, when you're faced with someone really obnoxious, full of themselves, and just being just a general ass, you sometimes flip too. And most of the time, you're not having near as bad of a day as Kirk was...
When Kirk calls Spock, he's had plenty of time to calm down and regain some of his cocky composure. As SmoothieX points out, he has just seen Jedda & Terrell zapped into oblivion and Chekov has just had something crawl out of his ear.
Despite the "hours into days" backup plan, the chips are most certainly down at this point. Khan has stolen the Genesis device, and given that the Enterprise is still repairing herself - thier is a fairly decent chance she might be blown to bits.
I think I might have a bit of a shout given the circumstances...
Despite the "hours into days" backup plan, the chips are most certainly down at this point. Khan has stolen the Genesis device, and given that the Enterprise is still repairing herself - thier is a fairly decent chance she might be blown to bits.
I think I might have a bit of a shout given the circumstances...
I've gotta wonder, just how bad would things have really gotten if Khan escapes with the Genesis device? He could only have used it once and on one planet, and I doubt he'd reach Earth and use ti to destroy it in one small Destroyer ship when Starfleet could send Heavy Cruisers after him. He only did as well as he did with the Enterprise due to the element of surprise and it being crewed by Cadets.
And if he did use it to make a planet, so what? He made a brand new planet, that's it.
And if he did use it to make a planet, so what? He made a brand new planet, that's it.
Two things: First, wasn't the Reliant primarily a science vessel and NOT a Destroyer? Sure, she was armed, but probably not "for bear". Her directive was PROBABLY to "fire as necessary, then retreat immediately" under adversarial situations.
Second, if he'd employed his "superior mind" instead of succumbing to his emotions, Khan should have just used it to re-make Ceti Alpha into the "paradise" it once was instead of going on a one-weapon jihad against Kirk. But at least ALL of the Eugenics "supermen" were wiped out in the whole thing, so it wasn't a TOTAL loss...just a really fucking SLOPPY one on Kirk's part.
MeanJoePhaser
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No, the Reliant wasn't just a science vessel, it was a medium cruiser (according to the DS9 technical manual via Memory Alpha wiki).
Further proof:
See Star Trek 3 for what a pure science vessel of the period was, the USS Grissom. Some Miranda class vessels were science ships in TNG era and had less armament.
Not necessarily: the Brattain from "Night Terrors" was identical to the Reliant externally, and was specifically considered a science vessel, whereas the Soyuz-modified Bozeman was never indicated to have a scientific role.
Anybody in command of any starship becomes instant God. Khan could have executed General Order 24 on planet after planet, while spending his spare hours trying to figure out how to make more Genesis devices. Sure, the fact that he was flying just one ship without any dockyard support would eventually bring him down, but unless he tried to strike at a planet defended by DS9-style fortifications (at least Earth may have had those at the time), he could easily undertake a five-year mission of seek out and pillage civilizations. And the more he spent aboard that ship, the better he would get at operating her, or understanding her service requirements.
And the Genesis torp would be a nice way to strike even at well-defended worlds. He could smuggle it in like a suitcase nuke, then engage in blackmail. (Provided that he could make his victims believe in Genesis in the first place, that is!)
Timo Saloniemi
Anybody in command of any starship becomes instant God. Khan could have executed General Order 24 on planet after planet, while spending his spare hours trying to figure out how to make more Genesis devices. Sure, the fact that he was flying just one ship without any dockyard support would eventually bring him down, but unless he tried to strike at a planet defended by DS9-style fortifications (at least Earth may have had those at the time), he could easily undertake a five-year mission of seek out and pillage civilizations. And the more he spent aboard that ship, the better he would get at operating her, or understanding her service requirements.
And the Genesis torp would be a nice way to strike even at well-defended worlds. He could smuggle it in like a suitcase nuke, then engage in blackmail. (Provided that he could make his victims believe in Genesis in the first place, that is!)
Timo Saloniemi
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