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Does Trek EU has the same problem as SW EU...

Drago-Kazov

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In terms of all the major heroes and villains coming from the same planets?
I mean it is a lot more divers with Swtor/Kotor with Satele Sahn coming from Breental, Vitiate coming from Nathema, Archiban Kimble coming from Raltiir, Carth Onasi coming from Telos, Bastila Sahn being from Talravin, Zayne Carrick being from Phaeda, Zenisth being from Balmorra, Nadia and Tobas grell being from Sarkhai and soo on.
But in the OT era even second tier characters come from Aldeeran, Corellian, Coruscant, Mon Calamari or Kashyyk, naboo or Tatooine.

i mean we have:
Han Solo Corellian
Leia...Aldeeran
Chewy...Kashyyk
Palps...Coruscant
Vader...Tatooine
Biggs Darklighter.....Tatooine
Wedge Antilles.......CorelliaCarlist Rieekan....Aldeeran
Bail Organa.......Aldeeran
Ackbar....Mon Calamari
almot every other Mon Calamari comes from there and there are a lot of mon calamari officers and jedi
Baron Fel,,,,,,,,, Corellia
Gillad Pellaeon.........Corellia/Coruscant
Yularen....Coruscant
Garm Bel Iblis....Corellia
Crix Madine......Corellia


Soo on.

If we look at let's say the list of US presidents wery few of them come from Washington or New York compared to these leaders.

Is there a time period/era where there are so many major figures coming from the same planets in Trek?
 
A lot of that was just because there weren't many established planets in the early days. Most of that other worldbuilding hadn't happened yet.

But no, I don't think Trek has this problem at all, except to the more limited extent that humans in general still seem a little over-represented. But we have plenty of human characters, including the President of the Federation, who aren't from Earth.
 
Let's see, characters not born on their respective species' origin worlds...

Beverly Crusher: Luna (Earth's Moon)
Tasha Yar: Turkana IV
Ezri Dax: New Sydney
Chakotay: Trebus
Tuvok: Vulcanis Lunar Colony
B'Elanna Torres: Kessik IV
Seven of Nine: Tendara Colony
Neelix: Rinax
Nan Bacco: Cestus III
Jasminder Choudhury: Deneva
T'Ryssa Chen: Starbase 11 (according to my character notes, though I don't think that's made it into a book yet)
Christine Vale: Izar

I'm sure there are a number of other novel characters who fit the bill, but that gives a fair sampling.

Also, "Emissary" showed Jake's birth in what looked like a Starfleet sickbay, though the novels say he was born in San Francisco.
 
...The thing is, even TOS already featured very large numbers of planets, with the built-in premise of many of these becoming fast friends with the hero organization and serving as plausible points of origin for further characters. All the later series kept on doing this.

In contrast, Star Wars originally only really mentioned Tatooine, Alderaan, Yavin, Hoth, Dagobah, Bespin and Endor, of which about half were unsuited to serve as character homeworlds, while namedropping an even smaller number of worlds such as Dantooine and possible worlds like Kessel. Never mind that the SW universe was always clearly indicated to be vast and diverse: what we saw was so small and uniform that it somewhat inevitably affected the thinking of the writers.

Timo Saloniemi
 
And the Star Wars universe seems even worse than the Star Trek for nobody seeming to retire plus I know it's got 'war' in the title but the PTSD cases must be through the roof!
 
A few more examples, because lists are fun :):

Gell Kamemor is from Glintara, not Romulus.

Even though Mor glasch Tev was indeed born on Tellar, his late childhood on Kharzh'ulla is clearly more important in terms of informing his character.

Elias Vaughn is from Berengaria VII.

Phillipa Matthias of the DS9 relaunch is from Alpha Centauri.

Mr. Mot (who achieves supporting hero status in the second Genesis Wave book) is from the Bolian colony on Myrmidon, not Bolarus IX (though I suppose Bolarus was off limits for a Destroyed Hometown plot, being - thankfully - too big a target...)

I'm pretty sure I recall Burgoyne 172 being born on a Hermat colony (Amphibalus III?) rather than the Hermat homeworld. And Soleta is from a colony (later established to be Cor Caroli) rather than from Vulcan.

In terms of the OP's Mon Calamari sidenote, with all the Mon Cal apparently being from Mon Calamari itself, I think the modern Trek novels aren't too bad about this, or at least subvert it deliberately from time to time, because it makes sense to stir the Federation up a bit. Off the top of my head, in terms of minor supporting cast we've had an Efrosian from Triex, Tellarites from Mars, a Caitian from Andor (though I suspect Ghee P'Trell was made Caitian simply because his name doesn't fit the novels' standard Andorian naming structure), Picard's old flame at his court martial being from Tellar (apparently part of a multi-pronged effort to explain her aggression without making her seem unprofessional), and, in KRAD's Klingon books, a fair number of Klingons naming the Mempa Worlds or the Pheben planets or Beta Thoridor as their place of origin. Oh, and in the third Vulcan's Soul book a Romulan spy is from a random Romulan planet rather than Romulus, which is nice.

I see I've fallen into "randomly list things" mode again, so I'll move on.

I will say that when it comes to the subject of overused worlds, I do think the novels have a slight - only slight - tendency to shrink the Federation down to a handful of prominant members. Everything seems to happen on Earth, Vulcan, Betazed, etc. That's not too great of a problem, in that the situation in-universe is apparently for a small number of major worlds to be heavily involved in running the Federation and other less influential members joining up for economic or defence benefits without contributing (or, at least initially, being able to contribute) as much in return. I should note that I mean contribution in terms of resources and support - I'm sure much of the Federation thinks that sharing a new world's unique qualities and cultures is contribution enough. After all, the UFP is more or less a philosophical movement as well as a nation. :) Which does cause it some identity issues at times, admittedly, but there we are.

I should note that Articles of the Federation, naturally our holy grail for insight into the Federation government, presented us with staff members and supporting players from a wide variety of worlds and races. And, yes, all members are equally represented on the Council and concerns are addressed according to need, not "importance", but in purely unofficial terms there seems to be a tier system of sorts. There are first-tier members who are holding the whole thing together (e.g. Earth, Vulcan, Tellar, Bolarus, Rigel), second-tier members who seem to be solid contributers with significant influence (worlds like Delta IV, Grazer, Efros, Tiburon, Sauria, Cait) and third-tier members who probably can't realistically give as much as they get and who some UFP citizens haven't even heard of (e.g. Bynaus, Nasat, Delb II, Delta Sigma IV). Okay, perhaps for all we know Delb II is a vital link that holds the Federation economy together, or the prime exporter of some valued commodity, but when's the last time the novels made a reference to Delb? (Articles of the Federation, actually, which along with a mention in one of the No Limits stories is the extent of Delb's literary adventures)

The novels have called attention to this sort of thing at times, which helps sell it as a legitimate inequity of notability in-universe, rather than a tendency toward reader familiarity that obscures the real picture. For example, Spirit Walk features minor member worlds complaining that a small group of races are the influential ones, and other characters countering that this is through each member's choice, not any flaw in the way the Federation is structured. The Red King had a cynical Neyel deciding human dominance in Starfleet and the Federation government means we're dealing with the United Human Empire and Riker insisting that's not the case. Then there's the issue of the permanent 5 seats on the Security Council for the founding worlds, established in Articles of the Federation and debated on this forum from time to time. Finally, Destiny even has characters note that once the core worlds are gone (Earth, Alpha Centauri, Tellar, Andor, Vulcan, the Rigel worlds and Coridan are listed as falling under that label; I guess Denobula, Altair, maybe Bolarus, etc, count too), the Federation will likely fall apart anyway, though apparently "Betazed and Trill will try, as will Bajor". That does sort of make sense from what we've seen of the Federation; for all that they're comfortable and supportive members, worlds like Gnala or Nasat or Halii don't seem too likely to have the clout needed to step up and inspire their neighbours. Vulcan and Pahkwa might be equal in terms of official say, but truthfully Vulcan's influence is going to be 20 times that of Pahkwa.

To get back to the original topic, I think that - strangely enough - if the books aren't edging ever so slightly into overeliance on well-established worlds, they're going a little in the other direction and using new worlds and races we're never going to see or hear of again when there were plenty of established ones to choose from. I'm not so much talking about stories revolving around new worlds or cultures (though even there, why invent a new Federation member when you could use the Arbazan or the Kasheeta or the Delbians, all of whom are ripe for exploration?), but walk on characters who are said to be So-and-soians or Whateverrites, or offhand comments of vacation on Someplanet VI. Why not have an Enolian or an Arkenite walk by instead of pulling a name out of the air? I should stress that this is only a very minor issue, but it happens just enough to make me a little wary. The Trek verse is heavily-populated compared to, say, Babylon 5 or Mass Effect, but I don't want it to be too cluttered with throwaway races.:)
 
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First thought: They should hire Nasat to keep an eye on inter-novel continuity.

Second thought: They shouldn't hire Nasat, because his returned notes on each book would be longer than the books themselves.

:)
 
A lot of that was just because there weren't many established planets in the early days. Most of that other worldbuilding hadn't happened yet.

But no, I don't think Trek has this problem at all, except to the more limited extent that humans in general still seem a little over-represented. But we have plenty of human characters, including the President of the Federation, who aren't from Earth.
i think a lot of the minor movie characters got their homeworlds after the Thrawn Trilogy which had some new planets, they could had mixed something up, but what happenen happened.

Zhang posted:
And the Star Wars universe seems even worse than the Star Trek for nobody seeming to retire plus I know it's got 'war' in the title but the PTSD cases must be through the roof!

We will finally get a break from that. LOTF and FOTJ were terrible ideas.



Nice lists by the way and thanks for reassuring me.
 
I think they've got a pretty good mix of planets of origins for the characters in Trek Lit.
 
A lot of that was just because there weren't many established planets in the early days. Most of that other worldbuilding hadn't happened yet.

But no, I don't think Trek has this problem at all, except to the more limited extent that humans in general still seem a little over-represented. But we have plenty of human characters, including the President of the Federation, who aren't from Earth.
i think a lot of the minor movie characters got their homeworlds after the Thrawn Trilogy which had some new planets, they could had mixed something up, but what happenen happened.


In the defence of the SW EU, here is some more of the named characters from the OT:

Boba Fett - Kamino
Lando - Socorro
Piett - Axxila
Veers - Denon
Ozzel - Carida
Tarkin - Eriadu
Jan Dodonna - Commenor
Lobot - Bespin
Yoda - ?
Wes Janson - Taanab
Hobbie - Ralltiir
Dack - Kalist VI
Motti - ?
Tagge - Tepasi
Jerjeerod - Tinnel IV
Mon Mothma - Chandrila

There is no doubt Coruscant, Corellia and Alderran have the most characters named as been from these worlds, but the EU hasn't done a terrible job of spreading people out across the galaxy.
 
^ Dawn of the Jedi.

It's a newish comic series that is set 37,000 BBY on Tython that now has a novel in the works.
 
Mm. I haven't read any SW comics, so I've also skipped the novels that directly tie into them (like Knight Errant). I actually wish they wouldn't do that; comics and novel readers are separate entities.

I've tried. I spent almost 6 months reading nothing but comics, reading all the famous ones like Watchmen and Planetary etc, and I just never quite clicked with it as a medium. Which I know is a weird thing to say, but I'm just not a visual person. My apartment, before I moved in with my fiancee, was almost completely undecorated, and not out of laziness. I forget people's faces and have a hard time, sometimes, learning characters on TV shows. I just do better with text and imagination, for whatever reason.
 
You can read Knight Errant without reading the comic if you are interested in details of what happened to Kerra before the plot use wookipedia, if ou are not just read it. Its good.
 
I've skimmed a few things set thousands of year in Star Wars past but the tech always (beyond a few superficial changes) seems the same as the 'modern' day???
 
I dunno, the Star Wars EU lost me as a fan when they started the Yuuzhan Vong nonsense. Checking on the timeline now and again, I can't say I've seen much to suggest it's getting any less silly with the Empire and Republic merging and splitting and whatever else again.

Hopefully the Trek EU will stay coherent and not introduce a universe changing plot element of silliness.
 
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