Does this series seem more mature and grittier than the other series?

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  1. SailorLadyGaga

    SailorLadyGaga Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I would say Discovery seems not be very family friendly or light hearted like the other series. I haven't seen much humor in it so far either.
     
  2. tomalak301

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    It seems grittier. I wouldn't say its more mature though.
     
  3. Jackson_Roykirk

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    It's a product of its time.

    It may be a bit grittier, and maybe a little more mature --- but it's that way because being a drama made in 2017, it is more like other TV dramas we see in 2017/2018 than it is like the TV shows from the 1990s (TNG) or the late 1990s/first decade of the 2000s (DS9, VOY, ENT).

    It's just like TNG was different than TOS, which again was a function of being made 20+ years apart.
     
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    It's about on par with "DS9" IMO. Not really more gritty but more modern in dialogue and special effects.

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  6. Lord Garth

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    Grittier? Yes. This show can go where DS9 wished it could've.

    More Mature? I'm still withholding judgment for now.
     
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    I would say yes on both, but DS9 comes close.

    It's vastly more mature than the other spin-off shows, which come off more like sci-if After School Specials than mature sci-fi adventures to be taken seriously on the whole (there are episodic exceptions of course).

    The realism in the portrayal of the characters, and the acting, is certainly more gritty...not sure about the universe or storytelling yet.
     
  8. Serveaux

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    No. Just seems imitative of better shows, but uninspired.
     
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    By what metric are we judging "mature"?
    Never really thought of Star Trek as "family friendly" or "light hearted". Not terms I associate with the franchise.
     
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    TNG was very much marketed as family viewing.

    CBS seems to have given up on the idea of Trek as a broadly appealing property and is trying to lock in a niche audience. Paramount is going in a very different direction with their movies.
     
  11. Lord Garth

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    I think something truly mature doesn't have to prove it is. It just is. It's also a type of storytelling in that you have to have lived life to really understand the characters. Or, there are no easy answers. Nothing is one-sided and both sides (or more) are built up enough that you could see all the points of view, even if you don't agree with them.
     
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    That explains a lot. I still taste the vanilla ;)
     
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    Well, trying to do otherwise never did work out for them. DS9's ratings started sliding in the second week and never stopped.


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  14. Nerys Myk

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    Sad but true.
     
  15. Vger23

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    By that definition which I think is very good, I'd say DSC, largely because of the way the characters are crafted, is mature.

    I'd say "mature" is probably the #2 factor overall that weighs into whether or not I find an appreciation for Star Trek. I believe TOS, DS9 and DSC are all fairly mature series. I feel TNG, VOY and ENT are not nearly as much.
     
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    Right now, Discovery reaches roughly the same number of households in the U.S. that Enterprise did in its first couple of years.
     
  17. Nerys Myk

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    It's a different world now.
     
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    Different venues as well. It does tell you something about the scope and reach of the show in the world at large, though. TNG was a genuine pop culture thing for a few years, and it exploded Trek as a franchise in significant ways ( really it made Star Trek into a franchise).
     
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    For better or worse.
     
  20. Vger23

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    If this is true about DSC (not sure how we would figure that)...it's basically the same as The Orville, if the numbers I've seen in terms of ratings are accurate. Orville is basically nuts-on where ENT was.

    I'd say that's pretty amazing if true, because the streaming aspect was supposed to be a serious impediment to it reaching its potential in terms of viewership.
     
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