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does the Algeron Treaty hold up post-Dominion War?

indolover

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The Romulans are probably abided by it since it gave them the tactical advantage. Coupled to this was that the Federation had no known means of detecting cloaked ships.

but the Dominion used anti-polaron beams to track them. During the War, there was little to stop the Federation from capturing a Dominion ship, and analysing how the anti-polaron technology works.

Also, the Romulans may not be able to make a counter-measure immediately. it could take them years, or even decades.

So if the Romulans only value peace with the Federation since they have cloaks and the Federation does not, then Dominion technology undermines this advantage, no?
 
After the end of the Dominion War, there are only 12 years left until Hobus Supernova, so the treaty is kind of moot.
 
The Treaty of Algeron only forbids the Federation from building cloaking devices, it doesn't forbid them from having sensors that can penetrate cloaking shields.

Cloaks have never been 100% safe anyway. Federation sensors can detect a cloaked ship if the cloak isn't 100% perfect. The Romulans have know for years that the Federation has all kinds of sensors on its borders designed to try and detect cloaked ships. Federation sensors are not as good as Jem'hadar sensors, but there is still a chance that Romulan ships could get caught entering Federation space.

So I don't think the war has really changed the tactical situation in that sense.
 
It did change the political situation, though. Since we don't know why the UFP agreed to giving up a piece of technology, we can but speculate that they got something in return from the Romulans. And since we never hear of the Feds getting technology from the Romulans, or territory, or the UFP believing in monetary bribes, we can but speculate the Romulans gave them political concessions. Such as "We don't launch the war to end all wars by using our cloaked ships if you agree not to cloak". These concessions could well grow outdated in the course of the Dominion War.

Coupled to this was that the Federation had no known means of detecting cloaked ships.

They did have various means - but they only came up with a halfway effective one in "Redemption", by setting up tripwires of tachyon radiation. And by the time of "Face of the Enemy", they had adopted the tachyon network as a means of guarding strategically important stretches of their border, so effectively that the Romulan cloakships could now only penetrate if getting help from espionage operations. That alone might have rendered Algeron outdated already.

but the Dominion used anti-polaron beams to track them.

Those only worked at point-blank ranges, if then. However, the Dominion also had some better sensor technology that could work across whole sectors: that's what Dax was sent to destroy, off screen, in "Behind the Lines". And that would have outdated Alpha Quadrant cloaking technology, and treaties based on it, overnight. Assuming that Alpha Quadrant powers got hold of the sensor tech and managed to reverse-engineer it (probably not too easy), or at least managed to fool their enemies into thinking that they had done so (probably a bit easier).

During the War, there was little to stop the Federation from capturing a Dominion ship, and analysing how the anti-polaron technology works.

But as said, that tech was almost useless. You could have two ships scanning you from less than a kilometer away and failing to see you, as in "The Search". You'd have far more success just firing around blindly with your phasers!

Also, the Romulans may not be able to make a counter-measure immediately. it could take them years, or even decades.

Against the sensor tech of "Behind the Lines", it might take centuries. The Dominion did have pretty advanced technology, even if they were duly impressed by Federation tech and engineering in return.

So if the Romulans only value peace with the Federation since they have cloaks and the Federation does not, then Dominion technology undermines this advantage, no?

I don't think so - because as said, the Feds do have pretty good sensor technology already in "Face of the Enemy". The war wouldn't change that.

Keeping the enemy from (officially) having cloaks is always a pretty good advantage, regardless of the state of sensory art, because then the enemy is incapable of doing cloaked nastiness even in those areas of space where your sensor nets are incomplete (which is probably always more than 99% of space, since space is big). But one needs really strong leverage to keep the enemy from having cloaks (even officially, let alone clandestinely), and that leverage might have been lost in the war. Or perhaps decades before the war, but nobody wanted to rattle status quo until they had to.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The Treaty of Algeron set the borders of the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, along with the borders of their shared neutral zone. The Federation was apparently willing to give up the right to develop cloaking technology in order to stabilize that border.

It is speculation. But since the Romulan civil war in the post ST:Nemesis era split the Romulans into two different empires and hence destabilized and reshaped the border and neutral zone presumably, the entire treaty may no longer be valid or binding on the Federation.
 
The Treaty of Algeron set the borders of the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, along with the borders of their shared neutral zone.

Canonically, the wording from "These Are the Voyages..." was that the treaty "redefined" the Neutral Zone. One might then doubt the idea that UFP/Romulan treaties would depend on the stability and astrographical immutability of that Zone - if it was redefined once already, it might be redefined again.

Of course, the Romulan split would be likely to redefine a lot of things... But one has to wonder if the Romulan society weren't rather tolerant to such internal discord. They're a backstabbing lot to begin with - a few revolutions here and there need not be that big a deal to them. A major revolution may have launched their isolation in 2311 and/or ended it in 2364, for all we know, without the Treaty of Algeron being affected much.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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