Does Star Trek II make a good sequel to...Star Trek?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Nothing eventful should ever have happened in Star Trek, because as demonstrated in the episodes "Assignment: Earth" and the film "The Voyage Home" Kirk and his crew can travel backward and forward in time with considerably more precision and reliability than the Doctor and his companions.

So, either Kirk is a passive bastard with no compassion, concern or sense of responsibility to his fellows or episodes like "Operation: Annihilate," "The Doomsday Machine" and "The Ultimate Computer" never took place - the Enterprise must have gone back in time and undone them.

 

[Pauln6]

I'm sure it was stated somewhere that time travel was banned by the Federation (except when Earth is at stake obviously - double standard much?). But what you say is true - if we follow the same characters as they trip across and create fresh alternate realities. The temporal police could not have failed to notice the destruction of Vulcan as a massive paradoxical event - based on canon they would have intervened (intervention by the temporal police would actually explain away some of the movies worse contrivances actually, such as Spock and Scotty being on the same planet, Chekov being older etc). I loathe this version of time travel and it's made worse by Trek's lack of consistency on the subject.

BTW - Romulans live longer than humans so it is conceivable (albeit unlikely) that Nero's (future) wife could be alive in this reality, although she'd be very young if she was. For all we know, he did go and 'rescue' her and she was the innocent victim of a Federation war crime as she was drawing with crayons in her quarters. Damn filthy Hoooo-mans.

 

[Sparky]

I'm sure it was stated somewhere that time travel was banned by the Federation (except when Earth is at stake obviously - double standard much?). But what you say is true - if we follow the same characters as they trip across and create fresh alternate realities. The temporal police could not have failed to notice the destruction of Vulcan as a massive paradoxical event - based on canon they would have intervened (intervention by the temporal police would actually explain away some of the movies worse contrivances actually, such as Spock and Scotty being on the same planet, Chekov being older etc). I loathe this version of time travel and it's made worse by Trek's lack of consistency on the subject.

BTW - Romulans live longer than humans so it is conceivable (albeit unlikely) that Nero's (future) wife could be alive in this reality, although she'd be very young if she was. For all we know, he did go and 'rescue' her and she was the innocent victim of a Federation war crime as she was drawing with crayons in her quarters. Damn filthy Hoooo-mans.

Temporal Police were one of the worst ideas ever to come to pass in Trek. I would prefer that any future incarnations of Star Trek just quietly ignored the fact that the Time Lords ever existed.

Unless Romulus sold super anti-aging skin cream in the local markets there is no way that either Nero or his wife would have been born in the time that Trek XI takes place. Spock mind melds with Kirk 129 years before the star explodes. There is no way that either of them are that old.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I loathe this version of time travel.

Except this version of time travel is more in line with current theories on the subject.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's all the same thing.

oldTrek continuity cannot stand up to the same scrutiny that people bashing nuTrek bring to it. Period, full stop.

 

[Pauln6]

I'm sure it was stated somewhere that time travel was banned by the Federation (except when Earth is at stake obviously - double standard much?). But what you say is true - if we follow the same characters as they trip across and create fresh alternate realities. The temporal police could not have failed to notice the destruction of Vulcan as a massive paradoxical event - based on canon they would have intervened (intervention by the temporal police would actually explain away some of the movies worse contrivances actually, such as Spock and Scotty being on the same planet, Chekov being older etc). I loathe this version of time travel and it's made worse by Trek's lack of consistency on the subject.

BTW - Romulans live longer than humans so it is conceivable (albeit unlikely) that Nero's (future) wife could be alive in this reality, although she'd be very young if she was. For all we know, he did go and 'rescue' her and she was the innocent victim of a Federation war crime as she was drawing with crayons in her quarters. Damn filthy Hoooo-mans.

Temporal Police were one of the worst ideas ever to come to pass in Trek. I would prefer that any future incarnations of Star Trek just quietly ignored the fact that the Time Lords ever existed.

Unless Romulus sold super anti-aging skin cream in the local markets there is no way that either Nero or his wife would have been born in the time that Trek XI takes place. Spock mind melds with Kirk 129 years before the star explodes. There is no way that either of them are that old.

Well, I know black don't crack but Tuvok was pretty old too and as actors I don't think that there is much of an age gap between Russ and Bana is there? Plus we don't know how recent the holo-image of Nero's wife was. Having said that, I agree that it's very unlikely indeed, just not impossible - maybe, as with Chekov, Nero's wife's parents had their child early as a result of the Narada's intervention

 

[Pauln6]

It's all the same thing.

oldTrek continuity cannot stand up to the same scrutiny that people bashing nuTrek bring to it. Period, full stop.

Well yeah, that's what I was saying. I do like Time's Arrow though.