Does Spock/Uhura take away from Kirk/Spock?

[Yeoman Randi]

I loved it (the spock/uhura) relationship too, although not after my first viewing but my third. I think it will be yet another way to explore Spock's inner struggle between his human side vs his vulcan side. i hope to see more of it.

and i do not think it will interfere in any way with the growth of the spock/kirk friendship/relationship. people deal with this (relationship with significant other while dealing with relationship with friends/co-workers)...

 

[Sabataage]

What???

I have to disagree. I always got a feeling of close friendship between Spock and Kirk, and I got it looooooooooong before there were such things as Trek movies. Always. The most obvious sign (aside from Spock's comments that Kirk is his friend, which he mentions more than once during TOS) is that Kirk is the only person Spock calls by anything other than title and name, and he wouldn't do that if the friendship weren't close and mutual. The friendship between Kirk and McCoy was more obvious, but that's because McCoy is an out-there-in-the-open kind of guy, whereas Spock definitely is not.

What I never did really get, though, was much of a feeling of friendship between McCoy and Spock. I think I was supposed to - I think that's what all that teasing was supposed to indicate - but it didn't work for me.

Yeah I know we were meant to ASSUME there was a close friendship there; I'm just saying I didn't see a whole lot of examples of it on screen. Certainly nothing as close as what the movies would have us believe.

In fact more often than not Kirk seems outright irritated by Spock in TOS. lol

In Amok Time Spock brings McCoy and Kirk to the ceremony/ritual. T'Pau calls him on this. He tells her its his right as they are his best friends. Yes, even McCoy. One reviewer who went back to watch the old episodes in order mentioned how surprisingly touching his statement was since its pretty much the first time Spock referrs to them that way. And then Kirk comes back from the dead.

 

[Agenda]

C'mon people. There's numerous examples of Kirk/Spockiness. They heart each other.

In Whom Gods Destroy, Spock of all people admits Kirk is his brother.

And who can forget Spock's famous smile in Amok Time? I mean, you think he was just concerned about being court martialed?

And then there's the Naked Time. "Jim when I feel friendship for you I feel ashamed" or something.

And then there's all the clear innuendo about the depth of their feeling for one another in all those other episodes that I won't even mention here.

You forgot the slashy motherload scene that started it all:

Shore Leave episode-- the "Backrub" Scene

Youtube it for maximum awesomeness!

Yeah, it's a funny scene, but one I think has been massively misinterpreted by the fanbase.

 

[childofdarkness]

I guitily admit that I have been reading Spock/Uhura fanfiction for years. The way I have seen that relationship explored to date adds depth to both characters and merely complements the existing Trek universe as I know it from TOS. The early eps, in fact, showed hints of some sort of bond between the two characters (Uhura has learned the Vulcan lyre; she teases Spock in song; Spock smiles lightly at this). After the first few eps though, we really never saw this again, but i always thought that as two intellectual characters into the sciences, linguistics and the arts (the lyre & singing - OK, maybe that's lame, but it's there), they would be drawn together occasionally at least to share these mutual interests that don't seem important to the other characters as presented.

Also, this is a new A/U timeline. Anything can happen. What in the TOS universe may have been quashed or deflected before it could blossom might meet other circumstances in this A/U that bring it to the fore.

 

[DevilEyes]

What???

I have to disagree. I always got a feeling of close friendship between Spock and Kirk, and I got it looooooooooong before there were such things as Trek movies. Always. The most obvious sign (aside from Spock's comments that Kirk is his friend and Kirk that Spock is his, something which they both mention more than once during TOS) is that Kirk is the only person Spock calls by anything other than title and name, and he wouldn't do that if the friendship weren't close and mutual. The friendship between Kirk and McCoy was more obvious, but that's because McCoy is an out-there-in-the-open kind of guy, whereas Spock definitely is not.

What I never did really get, though, was much of a feeling of friendship between McCoy and Spock. I think I was supposed to - I think that's what all that TOS teasing was supposed to indicate - but it didn't work for me.

C'mon people. There's numerous examples of Kirk/Spockiness. They heart each other.

In Whom Gods Destroy, Spock of all people admits Kirk is his brother.

And who can forget Spock's famous smile in Amok Time? I mean, you think he was just concerned about being court martialed?

And then there's the Naked Time. "Jim when I feel friendship for you I feel ashamed" or something.

And then there's all the clear innuendo about the depth of their feeling for one another in all those other episodes that I won't even mention here.

I really don't get how anyone could get any other impression than that Spock and Kirk were very close friends. It's obvious throughout TOS.

In addition to this: "The Devil in the Dark" is one of the best examples: Spock is advocating the stance that they should not - and don't have the right to - hurt the Horta, as you would expect of him. But the moment he realizes Kirk's life is in danger, he forgets all about it and starts yelling at "Jim" to kill it before it hurts him.

"Amok Time", as already mentioned... "The Naked Time"...

Kirk considers Spock and Bones his two closest friends (I can't remember which episode it was - maybe "Operation: Annihilate"?), Spock calls Kirk his friend many times; and after the mind meld with Kollos, Kollospock calls Kirk "captain and best friend of many years" (that's the same scene in which he recites Byron's 'She Walks In Beauty' to Uhura ).

In the same scene, he refers to Bones as "another long time acquaintance", which reflects Spock's uncertainty over whether he and Bones are friends (which a bit more realistic maybe than Spock calling Bones his friend in "Amok Time"). I don't think it was inferred that they were friends - in one episode (again, I can't remember which one) as Spock and Bones are arguing, someone asks Kirk "Are they enemies?" and he answers "I think they're not sure".

I don't understand the idea about a romantic relationship rivaling or interfering with a friendship, or vice versa. It only happens when someone's partner is possessive, overbearing and jealous (not in the sense of sexual jealousy - but in the sense of being jealous over anyone and anything their lover is close to, which is really sick). There are people like that, but Uhura certainly doesn't seem like one of them.

Frankly, I always hated the way TOS sidelined the women - but what I resent even more is that some people see it as an ideal of sorts - male friendships (or more, if you are into slash) without any nasty females to spoil it all... how do you say it? "Bros before hoes", is it?

 

[DevilEyes]

I guitily admit that I have been reading Spock/Uhura fanfiction for years. The way I have seen that relationship explored to date adds depth to both characters and merely complements the existing Trek universe as I know it from TOS. The early eps, in fact, showed hints of some sort of bond between the two characters (Uhura has learned the Vulcan lyre; she teases Spock in song; Spock smiles lightly at this). After the first few eps though, we really never saw this again, but i always thought that as two intellectual characters into the sciences, linguistics and the arts (the lyre & singing - OK, maybe that's lame, but it's there), they would be drawn together occasionally at least to share these mutual interests that don't seem important to the other characters as presented.

They had great chemistry, and I always wanted to see more of it. It would've been much better than Spock and Chapel (that plot got old after a while, because she was kind of pathetic, really). But you know that it could never have happened in the 1960s.

There had a similar scene in "Elaan of Troyius" but unfortunately it was deleted, and it hasn't survived apart from a few screenstills and the dialogue in the novelization. And from reading that bit and seeing the screenstill... boy, I so wish I could see that scene.

 

[davejames]

In addition to this: "The Devil in the Dark" is one of the best examples: Spock is advocating the stance that they should not - and don't have the right to - hurt the Horta, as you would expect of him. But the moment he realizes Kirk's life is in danger, he forgets all about it and starts yelling at "Jim" to kill it before it hurts him.

Actually I just watched that ep again recently too, and what struck me was how harsh Kirk was with him-- dressing Spock down like he was a lowly cadet or something.

I realize Kirk's the captain of the ship, but I would expect him to get Spock at least a little more deference than that. Not only because they're friends, but because he's the freakin second-in-command of the Enterprise. lol

 

[Agenda]

I guitily admit that I have been reading Spock/Uhura fanfiction for years. The way I have seen that relationship explored to date adds depth to both characters and merely complements the existing Trek universe as I know it from TOS. The early eps, in fact, showed hints of some sort of bond between the two characters (Uhura has learned the Vulcan lyre; she teases Spock in song; Spock smiles lightly at this). After the first few eps though, we really never saw this again, but i always thought that as two intellectual characters into the sciences, linguistics and the arts (the lyre & singing - OK, maybe that's lame, but it's there), they would be drawn together occasionally at least to share these mutual interests that don't seem important to the other characters as presented.

They had great chemistry, and I always wanted to see more of it. It would've been much better than Spock and Chapel (that plot got old after a while, because she was kind of pathetic, really). But you know that it could never have happened in the 1960s.

There had a similar scene in "Elaan of Troyius" but unfortunately it was deleted, and it hasn't survived apart from a few screenstills and the dialogue in the novelization. And from reading that bit and seeing the screenstill... boy, I so wish I could see that scene.

It's too bad. I thought a fourth season of Trek could've really brought Spock/Uhura into play. Probably never would have happened, even if it had been renewed. We would have gotten more blasted Droxines.

My attraction to the concept is that TOS Uhura seems like a really deep person, and wise, really secure in herself. Almost like a rock. Spock would be attracted to that stability because he's always at war with himself. She is one he could not intimidate with his brooding intellectualism.

However, at the same time, Uhura is really playful and extroverted, which creates a nice contrast with his introverted nature.

But then, as it has been mentioned, they both love the arts, which creates a further connection....

Anyways...so many possibilities...