Doctor Who 2009 Fire and ice.

[Guy Gardener]

A fanfilm made by yanks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUBCxJ6lRP8

god help us all.

I saw the whole thing today. It's better than the P.R.O.B.E. movies I saw last month which isn't the most glowing compliment, but in the end when it comes to the final conflict it was worth the wait.

http://www.doctorwho2009.com/home.php

 

[Chris3123]

Just watched it. It was pretty good, for a fanfilm. The story "felt" like Doctor Who.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fan series. The plan is to pump out a few of them.

Though you look at the credits and a lot of people there seem to have the last name, as if this is a couple "families" collaborating for a "free" workforce.

 

[Chris3123]

Fan series. The plan is to pump out a few of them.

Yeah, I know.

Who else noticed the Cybus and Archangel references?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Bugger it. I missed the Cybus tag, but I did a little dance when I saw the Archangel cellphone... Which has to have you wonder that the Doctor has got to be pretty edgy during this time period since he knows that the master is off in some corner of Great Britain building hellicarriers and raping his TARDIS.

Oh. if there was a Cubus Tag, does that mean that this is the Mirror earth from which the Cyberman in season two nuwho came from, and this is that universes native Doctor who bares little to no relation to anything we've seen on TV recently?

Did you think it was going to be Silurians?

I got faked out a few months ago too thinking the Silurians were coming in an audio adventure but it turned to be the same guys as in Fire and Ice.

Chris, it's just you and me, do we start throwing spoilers around?

 

[Demonland]

I watched about 20 mins of this before getting bored and switching over to something else on my DVR. The acting was terrible and the pacing was so slow and the girl and the music and the storyline reeked of Rose.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Combine Rose with the first christmas adventure and that's about it. They wanted us to "fall in love" with the puck and resourcefulness of the new companion as she "almost" saves the day without the Doctor who leaps in at the last minute when all seems lost.

The acting is terrible, but I've been down the fanfilm road before so it's about as half as good as Porn actors without the porn and the huge pay check, but...

Spoiler: later on

you obviously didn't hold out long enough to see the CGI dinosaurs, the Ice Warriors or of the final show down between U.N.I.T. and the Martians as it's laser fire vs. machine guns.

 

[Snick27]

I tried it and sorry the Doctor comes off boring and too plain. The chick was cute and her friend later on whom has a nice shirt that shows alot, was really nice.

Though the Special effects werent all that Special, kidding im still amazed at
screen savers.


Again the girl was cute.

 

[Guy Gardener]

i didn't think the girl, Alice Hemmingway was it? Was all that, she continuously looked like she'd been slapped in the face with a fish... Her friend might be prettier but she applies make up with the grace of an 80s scream queen, in fact, because of these two two women's general appearance I was wondering for the first five minutes if this fanfilm was set in the 80s?

The Captain in charge of the U.N.I.T. (Note that it's still the classic United nations intelligence taskforce and not UNified Intelligence Taskforce. The UN must not have sent these people the memo.) forces was downright gorgeous however... Even if she was the lead actresses sister, sisterinlaw or wife that you have to wonder why they don't look alike a little more?

 

[Joy]

For it being a fan-film, and one that lasts longer than an hour at that... I'd say it was pretty darned good. I mean, we ARE dealing with amateurs here, and I think for amateurs they weren't too bad.

I mean, yeah, there was a lot of bad dialogue and not very great acting, but overall... I enjoyed it for the most part.

The Doctor was... interesting. At certain points he seemed to be trying too hard, and at others he just didn't deliver his lines great. But then there were bits here and there where I felt he connected, gave a glimpse of his true potential. I think if there was better dialogue and perhaps a different director or just some extra practicing, I think the guy playing the Doctor could be pretty great.

I *did* get the feeling that he was trying to emulate Eccleston and Tennant, and for the most part, I think he did a pretty good job of kinda mixing the two together, but I think there were some points when he was trying a bit too hard to emulate Tennant.

Maybe now that they're all in the groove, they'll feel more comfortable in their roles and expand themselves a bit... Try to really make the roles their own rather than trying too hard to live up to the real thing. Sometimes the best acting in fanfilms is when the actors stop trying to imitate and rather just loosen up and have fun.

Joy

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wondered if he was deaf, since he had the same accent as Marlie Maitland, more so than any other nationality I could think of.

I'm assuming that he's an American under there some where?

 

[Chris3123]

Bugger it. I missed the Cybus tag,

"Cybus" was on her alarm clock.

but I did a little dance when I saw the Archangel cellphone... Which has to have you wonder that the Doctor has got to be pretty edgy during this time period since he knows that the master is off in some corner of Great Britain building hellicarriers and raping his TARDIS.

Well, the presence of Archangel at this point in time doesn't even make sense. Archangel was set up by the Master in 2007, but this episode of DW2009 took place in 2005.

Oh. if there was a Cubus Tag, does that mean that this is the Mirror earth from which the Cyberman in season two nuwho came from, and this is that universes native Doctor who bares little to no relation to anything we've seen on TV recently?

I guess that's possible. But it could also be possible that Cybus Industries happens to exist in the "real" DW universe, just without all of the crazy cybernetics.

Did you think it was going to be Silurians?

I watched the trailer, so I was spoiled on that point before I started watching the episode.

Chris, it's just you and me, do we start throwing spoilers around?

Yeah, I noticed that. And even the people who have posted since seem to not care too much for this production.

i didn't think the girl, Alice Hemmingway was it? Was all that, she continuously looked like she'd been slapped in the face with a fish... Her friend might be prettier but she applies make up with the grace of an 80s scream queen, in fact, because of these two two women's general appearance I was wondering for the first five minutes if this fanfilm was set in the 80s?

Yeah, I noticed her looks. It doesn't bother me though. And she's not that bad.

(Note that it's still the classic United nations intelligence taskforce and not UNified Intelligence Taskforce. The UN must not have sent these people the memo.)

Yeah, I noticed that right away.

Something that bugged me was the end credits: they have the Doctor listed as "Doctor Who". Any Who fan worth his salt knows that is not his name. Now I know that it was that way in the classic show for a long time, and also when new-Who started, but they stopped doing that so there's no reason this production should do it either. I know it sounds like a small matter, and it is. But it's one of the things that bugs me, along with my certain fellow Americans calling Daleks "Darleks" (namely, my dad. "There's no 'r' in Dalek dad!" ).

 

[Phillip Culley]

Something that bugged me was the end credits: they have the Doctor listed as "Doctor Who". Any Who fan worth his salt knows that is not his name. Now I know that it was that way in the classic show for a long time, and also when new-Who started, but they stopped doing that so there's no reason this production should do it either. I know it sounds like a small matter, and it is. But it's one of the things that bugs me, along with my certain fellow Americans calling Daleks "Darleks" (namely, my dad. "There's no 'r' in Dalek dad!" ).

Prove it.

Give one piece of evidence that his name isn't Doctor Who.

Compare this to 19 seasons worth of credits calling him 'Doctor Who', an episode called 'The Death of Doctor Who' (The Chase: 5), a story called 'Doctor Who and the Silurians', a whole story where he is repeatedly referred to as 'Doctor Who' (The War Machines), a story where he uses the name 'Doctor von Wer' (The Highlanders), or signs his name as 'Dr W.' (The Underwater Menace), or calls himself 'Doctor' as if it was a first name (The Evil of the Daleks, where he tells the Daleks 'That's Jamie, and I'm Doctor').

Add official novelisations by the series producer for 5 years (Barry Letts' 'The Dæmons', whose opening chapter includes the line 'Doctor Who was a happy man'), and you have huge amounts of evidence his name is Doctor Who, while there's very little evidence that's not his name, aside from legions of fans who don't want that to be his name, as it sounds silly.

So 'any Who fan worth his salt knows that's not his name'? Twaddle.

 

[Chris3123]

Something that bugged me was the end credits: they have the Doctor listed as "Doctor Who". Any Who fan worth his salt knows that is not his name. Now I know that it was that way in the classic show for a long time, and also when new-Who started, but they stopped doing that so there's no reason this production should do it either. I know it sounds like a small matter, and it is. But it's one of the things that bugs me, along with my certain fellow Americans calling Daleks "Darleks" (namely, my dad. "There's no 'r' in Dalek dad!" ).

Prove it.

Give one piece of evidence that his name isn't Doctor Who.

You're serious? Um, how about the fact that the Doctor never actually gave that as his name. And as for evidence that that is his name, in only one story, just one, has anyone actually ever said that his name is "Doctor Who", namely WOTAN in "The War Machines". That's the only story where "Doctor Who" was said as a name ("Dr W" isn't "Doctor Who" and "Doctor" is exactly what he always called himself, just without the "The"). And WOTAN also said the Doctor was human, so it isn't 100% reliable to begin with. As for "Doctor von Wer", was it made explicitly clear that that was his real name, and not just an alias? He has gone by "John Smith" a number of times, but you wouldn't say his name is really John Smith, would you?

Yes, I read all of your post. As for the rest I haven't commented on: anything outside the actual narrative of the show really doesn't matter much in regards to this point. We are talking about his name, something that is mentioned all the time. Of the countless hours of DW, what is on screen should be enough for us to determine what his name is. And according to the character himself, his name is The Doctor (well, maybe not his real real name, but I digress). I'll take the Doctor's word over that of a machine that thought "Doctor Who" was human.

while there's very little evidence that's not his name,

Except for the fact that of all the times he gave his name, not once did he ever say it was "Doctor Who", but almost always just "The Doctor".

aside from legions of fans who don't want that to be his name, as it sounds silly.

Please don't generalize like that, assuming what people who disagree with you must be thinking. It's rude.

So 'any Who fan worth his salt knows that's not his name'? Twaddle.

Well, the show itself has overwhelmingly demonstrated that the name he goes by is "The Doctor", so certainly anyone who has seen the show knows it. Well, unless they've only seen "The War Machines" and/or "The Highlanders", in which case it's understandable.

 

[Phillip Culley]

You're the one who claimed 'any who fan worth his salt knows that's his name' which is clearly wrong. We don't know his name - that's the whole point! Saying his name is The Doctor is just as fallacious as saying his name is Doctor Who - it's just a title he goes by (such as when he says things like 'I'm known as The Doctor'.

To be honest, if you asked most people outside of fandom, I'm sure a lot of them would say his name is Doctor Who. Look at the many news features on the DVDs, which introduce (for example) Tom Baker as the 'fourth Doctor Who'.

 

[Chris3123]

You're the one who claimed 'any who fan worth his salt knows that's his name' which is clearly wrong.

Actually, I said "not his name", but yeah.

We don't know his name - that's the whole point! Saying his name is The Doctor is just as fallacious as saying his name is Doctor Who - it's just a title he goes by (such as when he says things like 'I'm known as The Doctor'.

Oh, I know "The Doctor" isn't his real name. It's a name he chose for himself to go by. When I talked about "his name", that's what I was speaking of, not his real name. Sorry I wasn't clear about that.

To be honest, if you asked most people outside of fandom, I'm sure a lot of them would say his name is Doctor Who.

No doubt.

Look at the many news features on the DVDs, which introduce (for example) Tom Baker as the 'fourth Doctor Who'.

Oh yes, I've noticed.

 

[Demonland]

If I was doing the credits I would label it: "xxxxx as The Doctor" but not really fussed either way.

 

[Timofnine]

Hey the trailer looks Ok, I'm going to check the whole thing out tonight when I get home.

 

[Roshi]

They were in Darma Station "The Swan"