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Do we have the Tech to send a Probe to Alpha Centauri?

We don't even known if Alpha Centauri has any planets. Much less any in the habitable zone.

And I don't believe for a minute that the federal govt. or defense contractors have technology any more advanced that what we've seen to date.

You know how bad the govt. in this day and age is at keeping secrets.
 
Alpha Centauri is a trinary system. Although the third star, Proxima is so far from the other two it almost doesn't count. But Alpha Centauri A and B are about 11 AUs apart. If there are planets, it would be interesting to see the configuration of the system.

Robert
 
I quite agree with the statements,made by TeriO,Brent,and the others who want just discuss this topic.
The space Bomber topic should have its own thread.
Here's another thought could a private company create the technology needed to send a probe?

Signed
Buck Rogers
 
Dayton3 said:
We don't even known if Alpha Centauri has any planets. Much less any in the habitable zone.

And I don't believe for a minute that the federal govt. or defense contractors have technology any more advanced that what we've seen to date.

You know how bad the govt. in this day and age is at keeping secrets.

Of course everyone knew about the Manhatten project, The SR-71, U2 before the Russian incident, The stealth fighter and bomber, and MK Ultra while it was being conducted. The Government can't keep secrets. The Top Secret classification includes nothing because secrets can't be kept anyway.
 
One should note this.

If we are able to send an unmanned probe to Alpha Centauri and build the orbital infrastructure to do it, then we might as well send a manned mission.

Sure it would be a suicide mission. No returning to Earth possible.

But I think you could find plenty of people qualified wanting to make the trip.

A 45 year old astronaut would be nearly 60 before he/she flew through the Centauri system. On a well designed spacecraft they might be able to live decades more before they died.

And yes, humans can survive 1,000 G acceleration if they are breathing liquids.
 
broberfett said:
Dayton3 said:
We don't even known if Alpha Centauri has any planets. Much less any in the habitable zone.

And I don't believe for a minute that the federal govt. or defense contractors have technology any more advanced that what we've seen to date.

You know how bad the govt. in this day and age is at keeping secrets.

Of course everyone knew about the Manhatten project, The SR-71, U2 before the Russian incident, The stealth fighter and bomber, and MK Ultra while it was being conducted. The Government can't keep secrets. The Top Secret classification includes nothing because secrets can't be kept anyway.

Okay, I'm not above some topic drift, but can we please try to get this back to the topic of discussion, which is not "top secret" Area 51-type military projects?

Thank you. :thumbsup:
 
Hmmm someone is talking about a space bomber up above. It isn't what they're thinking though. The X-20 Dynasoar was the Air Force project for orbital recon and bombardment.

For information on cold war space hardware that never flew, take a look at http://www.deepcold.com as they have some nice renderings there of both US and Russian projects.
 
One should remember that most high tech is vaporware: it looks good on paper, but two centuries of experimentation might be needed to prove that it doesn't work in practice. For example the current scramjet technology might prove an utter flop, forever impractical for any aerospace applications. But vaporware is usually good enough for secret government projects. And it's a nice way to get R&D funding that can then be siphoned off to more realistic things.

If we are able to send an unmanned probe to Alpha Centauri and build the orbital infrastructure to do it, then we might as well send a manned mission.

Only if the probe would be of a type that flies there in mere decades.

But today's technology would probably be more easily and efficiently used in building a probe that takes hundreds or thousands of years to get there. The question then becomes, shall we build another type of probe in those intervening centures or millennia that will outpace the earlier one?

The answer might well be that we will not build one in the next 500 years. There will be no breakthroughs in interstellar propulsion, none of the various non-rocket propulsion systems now pondered will prove viable in practice, and there is no interest or funding in interstellar travel. If we knew this for sure, it would be worthwhile to build a slowly traveling probe now. But people would probably consider this defeatist thinking, and use that as an excuse not to build the thing... Now or ever.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Alpha_Geek said:
Hmmm someone is talking about a space bomber up above. It isn't what they're thinking though. The X-20 Dynasoar was the Air Force project for orbital recon and bombardment.

For information on cold war space hardware that never flew, take a look at http://www.deepcold.com as they have some nice renderings there of both US and Russian projects.

Okay, I'm officially splitting this off into its own thread, since the subject seems to keep insisting upon its own existence.

Please take any and all discussion of the Cold War era "Top Secret" technology to this thread here, created just for the subject.
 
Buck Rogers said:
I quite agree with the statements,made by TeriO,Brent,and the others who want just discuss this topic.
The space Bomber topic should have its own thread.
Here's another thought could a private company create the technology needed to send a probe?

Signed
Buck Rogers

I don't see why a private company couldn't-- well beyond need heavy-lifting launch vehicles and the long-term infrastructure to monitor/control the probe; but isn't that really a question of money? I can't recall the US having any regulations against private companie launching probes into space-- I could be wrong though.

Might embarrass NASA is the private-sector started launching deep-space probes.
 
Noname Given said:
And what would the probe tell us? Assuming we could accelerate it to 1/3 C; who would it break speed down to something that could be useful once it arrives in the 'neighborhood.

Who says a probe needs to slow down to do something useful? Look how much we've learned about our own system's planets from probes that were just passing by.

Of course a probe travelling at a high proportion of c would be limited in what it would reveal, but even just a simple camera and spectrograph passing directly through the system, photographing its bodies up close and from different angles, would tell us tons more about it than we can discern from 4.3 light-years away.

Of course, a probe could potentially brake itself by deploying either a lightsail to be slowed by Alpha Centauri's light or a magnetic coil to brake against the interstellar medium. Also, for a long time there's been a proposal around for a lightsail probe driven by a laser beam from Earth; on nearing its destination, the sail would split into two concentric parts, with the outer part focusing light onto the front of the inner part, pushing backward on it to decelerate it.

Also; given it takes 8.6 years to do a round of commnication, how could/would we program it to find planets or other objects of interest.

If a single probe were used, it would have to have artificial intelligence, of course. But the Starseed proposal calls for sending thousands of tiny probes. I think the idea is to create an imaging/signalling array that could do the job the individual probes couldn't on their own, but a similar principle could be used to blanket the system with many fairly basic probes that, collectively, could gather all sorts of useful information.

As for finding planets, we probably won't need probes for that. The telescopes going up into space over the next decade or so should be capable of detecting planets around Alpha Centauri, if we don't begin finding them using existing methods first. By the time we got around to physically sending probes there, we'd probably already know where all its major planets are.



Dr.Trekyll and Hyde said:
Dayton3 said:
We don't even known if Alpha Centauri has any planets. Much less any in the habitable zone.

I thought we've detected planets in the Centauri system.

No exoplanets have been detected in the Alpha Centauri system yet, but as I said, if they're there, we'll probably find out within the decade. And there's been some pretty good simulation work done by Elisa Quintana et al., calculating the odds of planet formation in the system and the probable orbital range and number of planets. The simulations conclude that there could be 3-5 planets around Alpha Cen A and 2-4 planets around Alpha Cen B -- probably all terrestrial, because observations have ruled out anything Neptune-sized or larger, and because Jovian planet formation would probably have been disrupted due to the gravitational interactions within the binary system.

If that's correct, then the odds of there being at least one planet in the habitable zone of one of the stars are pretty high -- especially with two stars to choose from. And of course habitable planets aren't the only ones worth looking at. We could learn plenty about planet formation, geology, stellar evolution, and who knows what else by being able to compare planets in two different star systems rather than being limited to one. Just look at how much the 250-odd exoplanets detected over the past 15 years have overturned our past assumptions about the formation and evolution of planetary systems. And those are just the giant planets we're able to detect at great distances. There are whole populations of rocky planets, icy planets, maybe carbon planets, ocean planets, and other purely theoretical planet types waiting for us out there, and maybe even some types we've never thought of.
 
I believe that Stargate SG-1 is based on actual events, that happened in real time.
 
If one of the worlds orbiting Alpha Centauri A really does look like this:



Then they are most likely the ones more interested in us...



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