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DLP / LED / Plasma HDTV advice.

FrontLine

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Ok so I'm thinking of buying a new TV tonight. From what I've seen it looks like I'm going with the Samsung 56" LED powered DLP HDTV. I think Im making the right decision. I like the fact that the light source is LED and not a regular bulb because that means I wont have to change the bulb every three years. I also have the space for this TV. But am I missing anything? Should I instead look at an LED or Plasma TV?
 
Don't know what to tell you other than make sure of your viewing distance from the set. I went with a 46" LCD HDTV when we replaced our TV this spring. Two weeks after I wall hung it, Mrs. Q2 rearranged the family room. Now standard cable broadcasts look blurry because we're now sitting a little too close. HDTV broadcasts look crystal clear at any distance so we tend to stick to those channels anyway. High-def LCD's are suppose to have the longest screen life where Plasma are suppose to have the best picture. I remember reading that the latest generation of Plasma's have longer picture life than the early ones. I think it boils down to cost and preference really. BUT DO GET the HD service, a big TV is practically useless without it. Kinda like trying to drive a high end sports car with snow tires all the way around. Sure it will work, but performance will suffer.

My $0.02

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If you have the space, DLP is a great choice. I love my Mitsubishi '62.

That having been said, we'll be getting a 50-inch LCD for the bedroom later this year — because the old CRT-55-inch set is about to go poof and it takes up too much space.

Plasma is a better picture, although in my reviews, I've noticed the gap narrowing for a number of years, and it may be wiped out by LED backlit LCD.
 
Bought a new house in December 2006; and because of the size of the living room (now the Home Theatre Room ;))' I went with a 73" Mitsubishi DLP and in the end was very happy because if you want a LARGE screen; DLP will give you the most bang for your buck - when I bought it in January, Plasma's and LEDs topped out at 56" or so and were MUCH more expensive. I love the DLP set, and it has just as clear of a picture as the 42" Sony Bariva III LCD I hung in my master bedroom.

But while I agree the Plasma's I've seen CAN look a bit sharper depending on the sutiation; I have to regrets about going DLP on my larger screen TV - that said, we'll see how I feel on the day I DO have to replace the light kit. ;)

I will say - once you get an HD TV and view some true HD channels, you'l NEVER be able to watch a standard definition TV signal without going "Damn, I need a focus adjustment on this thing" ;) I REALLY wish DirecTV would quit touting all the new HD channels they're going to deliver; and start broadcasting them off the new sattelite they launched. :mad:
 
I've got a 42" Sharp AQUOS 1080p LCD for my bedroom (which is my primary home theater viewing room). My viewing distance is about 8'.

I've also got DISH, thereafter refered to as E* (Echostar) and they now have nearly 50 HD channels, 9 or so of them are HD PPV channels, but they also just added 5 HD Big Ten Network channels...one main one and 4 ALTernates I think.

If you want to be with the leader of HD programming right now, go with E*. DirectTV (D*) has been touting all these new HD channels, but have yet to deliver them. Mainly because they simply don't exist yet. The reason why there isn't all that HD channels yet, is because a lot of stations haven't launched their digital HD channel yet.

The History Channel, for example, just went HD last week on the 4th.


Now then, about the TV technologies...I'm not sure what LEDs are, (I mean I know what LEDs are) but re: TVs, I have no idea. One issue with DLPs is a rainbow effect around images...obviously due to the mirrors. Plasmas do have a better picture, but have limited life spans with the gas in the pixels. LCDs supposedly last longer, aren't quite as bright as a plasma, but are catching up with plasmas in that regard. Also, response time in LCDs have been slow in the past, but again, are getting better.

For comparison, CRTs and plasmas have a response rate of 1ms. Computer LCD screens have a response time of 2ms. Large HD LCD screens have been known to have around 8ms, but they're getting down to 4 and under now. So bringing them up to speed with CRTs and plasmas. BTW, response time is the time it takes a pixel to change its color.
 
THanks for the comments so far. Ok so far as I know the LEDs in a DLP set replace the standard bulb(s) so you get the added lifespan as well as being able to pack in more bulbs in the same package. So far as HDTV content goes, I've got Verizon FiOS and don't plan on leaving it. They keep adding and adding to their HD channel lineup, so I'll wait for more channels to be added.

From what I'm seeing here is that Plasma has the best over all quality? Is that correct?
 
FrontLine said:
THanks for the comments so far. Ok so far as I know the LEDs in a DLP set replace the standard bulb(s) so you get the added lifespan as well as being able to pack in more bulbs in the same package. So far as HDTV content goes, I've got Verizon FiOS and don't plan on leaving it. They keep adding and adding to their HD channel lineup, so I'll wait for more channels to be added.

From what I'm seeing here is that Plasma has the best over all quality? Is that correct?

Based on my understanding, yes plasma has the best overall picture quality, with the exception of CRT. Plasmas will have a sharper picture, more vibrant colors and deeper blacks than an equal sized LCD. They are also sharper than DLP (color and contrast is about the same). All this plus they can hang on your wall like an LCD.

As far as the negatives on plasma, they're extremely susceptible to burn in. DLPs and LCDs don't have this problem. I think lifespan is an issue also. Last I looked, and that was a couple years ago, the picture on a plasma TV will degrade as you watch it and after ~50,000 hours, it will be 1/2 as bright as when it was new. DLPs in theory will last forever as long as you keep replacing the bulb (about $200) or LED (not sure about price). LCD TVs fall somewhere in between.

All-in-all you made the right choice. DLP is the "best bang for the buck". I have a Mitsubishi 52" DLP. It's worked flawlessly for the past 2 1/2 years, and I expect many more hours of enjoyment. Some people complain about the "rainbow" effect. You will basically see a rainbow on bright white areas of a picture due to the color wheel. I'd noticed it a couple of times when I first got the TV, but I don't see it anymore. Either my eyes have adjusted or I'm getting too old.
 
And I think I have something with a 15+ year old 20 inch set. Mine's really a dinosaur but it works great for me. When it goes, or we all have to switch to HD TVs, I'll probably stay with around a 20 inch set. My living room is not very large.

I've seen the sets in stores and they really look good. I've never seen one in a home yet. People I know don't watch much TV or they have older sets.

Enjoy your new set! :D
 
I like plasma but you're looking at a really big TV. The plasma equivalent of what you're buying would be expensive.

I can't comment on that set since I haven't seen it. Go by the picture. You can tell. Do you like the picture? If you get it home and you don't, take it back for a 50" Samsung plasma. That definitely would have a great picture although the screen would be a bit smaller.
 
C. Cole-Chakotay said:
And I think I have something with a 15+ year old 20 inch set. Mine's really a dinosaur but it works great for me. When it goes, or we all have to switch to HD TVs, I'll probably stay with around a 20 inch set. My living room is not very large.

I've seen the sets in stores and they really look good. I've never seen one in a home yet. People I know don't watch much TV or they have older sets.

Enjoy your new set! :D

Yes, the 1980s were a great decade, weren't they?

A 20" set? Are you kidding??? My friggin' computer monitor is 19" and I sit 1' away from it.

How big is your room? You got eagle eyes or something? a 20" inch set in ANY room is SMALL, trust me....

My bedroom isn't that large (well, it's a converted garage), but I could have gone with a 46" if I wanted to (a 50" would have been too big), but it would have required some modifications to my entertainment area, so I just went with a 42" and it's about the right size for my room.

Here's a few pictures to illustrate.

This is a 42" SHARP AQUOS LC-42D72U (2007 model)

This pic was taken from my bed at about the 9' mark.
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This view is about how I see things sitting in a chair in front of my bed at around the 7-8' mark.
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And this view is what you'd see at about the 3' mark.
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So what I'm saying is that unless your room is a 10' x 4' jail cell, then a TV of a any size in the 30+" range would work.

The question is, do you want to SEE what you're watching, or do you just want to just MAKE IT OUT?



And in case anybody is wondering, my entertainment center there is built into the wall between the wall studs. I have 43.5" horizontal clearance there, so a 42" TV is the max size I can fit there. I kinda was wanting a 46" but it'd been an inch too wide and I'd have to wall back in the hole and buy a rack to hang it on. So I went the easier route and settled for the 42". I measured for a 50" and it'd just be way too big for my room, let alone my space there. This 42" is a good size for my room here.
 
From what I've read, the LED DLPs have really improved upon (if not eliminated) the Rainbow effect.
 
zephramc said:
FrontLine said:
THanks for the comments so far. Ok so far as I know the LEDs in a DLP set replace the standard bulb(s) so you get the added lifespan as well as being able to pack in more bulbs in the same package. So far as HDTV content goes, I've got Verizon FiOS and don't plan on leaving it. They keep adding and adding to their HD channel lineup, so I'll wait for more channels to be added.

From what I'm seeing here is that Plasma has the best over all quality? Is that correct?

Based on my understanding, yes plasma has the best overall picture quality, with the exception of CRT. Plasmas will have a sharper picture, more vibrant colors and deeper blacks than an equal sized LCD. They are also sharper than DLP (color and contrast is about the same). All this plus they can hang on your wall like an LCD.

As far as the negatives on plasma, they're extremely susceptible to burn in. DLPs and LCDs don't have this problem. I think lifespan is an issue also. Last I looked, and that was a couple years ago, the picture on a plasma TV will degrade as you watch it and after ~50,000 hours, it will be 1/2 as bright as when it was new. DLPs in theory will last forever as long as you keep replacing the bulb (about $200) or LED (not sure about price). LCD TVs fall somewhere in between.

All-in-all you made the right choice. DLP is the "best bang for the buck". I have a Mitsubishi 52" DLP. It's worked flawlessly for the past 2 1/2 years, and I expect many more hours of enjoyment. Some people complain about the "rainbow" effect. You will basically see a rainbow on bright white areas of a picture due to the color wheel. I'd noticed it a couple of times when I first got the TV, but I don't see it anymore. Either my eyes have adjusted or I'm getting too old.

Well, let's speak to each point one by one. This is coming from a Magnolia Home Theater Pro, so I know of what I speak.

LED DLP "bulbs" (actually 3 elements - red, green, blue) do last a lot longer than traditional incandescent bulbs. However, no TV lasts forever. Let's not exaggerate just because we're partial to a particular technology. DLP (including Sony and JVC's LCoS), and LCD, and plasma can now last 18-26 years before they go "bad". So, useful spans are getting to be about the same. Look at it this way. On average, Americans replace a tv every ten years anyway, so the odds are good you'll find something better you like before it "dies".

Picture quality? It's so subjective. Trust your eyes. It's YOUR tv, and YOUR eyes that are going to be fixated on it for years to come, so make sure you love it before you buy. But, like the others said, there's something about an HD plasma picture that just makes you grin stupidly and salivate. (Especially Pioneer and Panasonic playing back Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies).

Okay, about burn-in: a lot of the information circulating around there about "burn-in" is from years ago (especially if you watch it on TV). If you stick with a top brand name plasma tv, permanent burn-in is not an issue, if you treat it responsibly. What does "responsibly" mean in this case? I'm glad you asked. I'll tell you. In this case, it means the following:

1. Go ahead, play your video games on it! Next-gen graphics look phenomenal on plasma tvs. Now, here's the responsible part. Don't play them for longer than 4-5 hours at a stretch. Why? Because your HUD or game GUI (health, weapon meters and shit) can cause temporary image retention after HUGE swaths of time (and then you're going to have to throw "Planet Earth" in HD on there to make that go away). Plus, if you're playing Bioshock on your new plasma, DO NOT pause the game and forget to turn off your tv and go on vacation for a week. Same reason.

Plus, plasma work best and last longer if you break them in properly. What does that mean? Well, in most HDTV picture menu options, you'll see a pull down menu for pq presets "brilliant/vibrant", "Standard/normal", "cinema/movie", and "custom", if not a few more. Set it to "movie" mode and leave it for the first 2-3 months you watch it. By backing off the out-of-the-box settings (typically called "torch mode" by owners of sets, an allusion to the way manufacturers ramp up all the settings on the picture to make it grab your attention first on the shop floor), you'll both prolong the life of the set (keeping it in torch mode has the same affect on its longevity as redlining your new car does on its longevity), and you'll improve the accuracy of the picture.


Also, price. Yes, DLP costs less than both LCD and plasma. But, LCD and plasma are about equal in price. You can actually find cheaper larger screen plasmas than LCDs.

Does that help? I have a tendency to prattle. :)
 
No you did not prattle,but gave solid advice,and I happen to be a Manufacturer's field rep for Panasonic so it sounds that you've been fully trained by one of us reps or discovered things on your own.

Maybe you should write a guide to HDTV for your customers so that when they make the right choice they'll love it.

Signed
Buck Rogers
 
I've got a 42" Samsung DLP.. I love it.. Go DLP.. One thing to rememeber.. DLP handles nonHD better then LDC or Plasmas do..
 
Irishman and the others, thanks for all the input. Well it looks like I didnt have much choice in the matter after all. When I came home Saturday afternoon I found my wife had purchased the 56 Samsung DLP (non-LED type) and set it up for me as a birthday present. I was disappointed with her choice but wanted to hear out her reasoning. She stated that she went with the non-LED version for the following reasons

1) No vendor in the Tampa area had one in stock. The nearest one was about 100 miles away.

2) She wanted it in place for my birthday and by the time I got back Saturday afternoon. Well mission accomplished. My jaw was on the floor.

3) We live in Central Florida, Lightning capital of the US, if not the western hemisphere. Power surges are fact of life down here. Even with a power company supplied surge protector, it's no guarantee that any electronics will survive a thunderstorm. So she bought the product protection plan. Since it came from Circuit City their plans cover just about anything from a lightning hit to (yep you guessed it) bulb replacement.

In the end, who am I to question her. The picture is great, it was fantastic watching Florida ass-whup Tennessee, and I'm loving my HD channel line up.

Oh and she bought me an up converting DVD player. Sure its not Blue Ray or HD, but we're old enough to have lived through the Betamax / VHS fiasco. She decided to go with the best solution that allows us to enjoy our set while waiting out the stupid format war. I love that woman.
 
Sounds like you mode out well.. Don't worry about the bulb thing.. People tried to use there "jedi mind tricks" to get me out of DLP. Saying the bulb are $300+.. Not true on my unit..

Have fun with it..
 
FrontLine said:
Oh and she bought me an up converting DVD player. Sure its not Blue Ray or HD, but we're old enough to have lived through the Betamax / VHS fiasco. She decided to go with the best solution that allows us to enjoy our set while waiting out the stupid format war. I love that woman.

What model of DVD player did you get?

I bought an Oppo Digital DV-981HD (1080p upconverting) player to go with my SHARP (It's the thin little device above my big SRS receiver in the pic above.) Yeah, sure it isn't true HD, but with a well mastered DVD, viewing one at a distance of 9 feet or more looks great. But of course, if you get up close, you start seeing all the messy upconversion matrix. It's a mess really, but from afar, all that goes away and you get a pretty good picture from a 480i DVD. The Prison Break DVDs look about the best I've seen for any SD DVD. They must've shot that in HD without adding that digital grain that BSG does.
 
When I got married in July, I was given a nice surprise. After the wedding rehearsal (we didn't bother with a rehearsal dinner), my groomsmen, all of whom I had grown up with since grade school), said I needed to get in the van (they had come together from Chicago to Iowa), because there was business that needed to be attended to.

They then drove me to Best Buy, and when we walked in the front door, my best man said to me, "Tim, we've been in your apartment, and because of this, we know you have had the same piece-of-shit television that you've had since the eighth grade. You have $1600. Have fun."

I wound up getting a 42" 720p HP plasma set, a Sony up-converting DVD player and all the cabling I needed.

Sweet.
 
One question I don't see addressed and would love the experts and experienced to comment on:

Power consumption.

I've heard the plasmas draw a lot of power compared to CRTs and other new tech. If I'm home, the TV's on...and I'm not a nature lover...
I can't afford to see my power bill jump up just because of a new set.

TIA for the replys!
 
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