Divorce on Voyager?

[Guy Gardener]

Around a Hundred and 50 people on board but only Tom and B'Elanna where the only two crew on board mentally/emotionally competent enough to tie the knot?

Pull the other one.

So if Janeway married people, it would be the XO's job (Staff management.) to facilitate divorce... What sort of turn over ar we talking about that janeway or Chakotay might find a moral need to impose limits after she's married the same love stuck bastards 5 or six times to different people that he's divorced.

Who is going to blink first and end this orgy of matrimonial madness for the good of their community? The binder of love or the separator of loathing?

 

[od0_ital]

Ya can say there are 150 folks aboard the ship, but...

...we know that Janeway won't get involved with anyone else aboard ship, since she's the CO.

...we know that several crewmembers, like Tuvok & Samantha Wildman, have spouses back home.

...we know that not even Neelix & Kes could stay together in that environment.

Plus, that whole 'til death do ya part goes to a whole new level when ya may be stuck together on the same tin can for seventy years, even after a divorce.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Jean Paul Satre said that hell was spending eternity with your best friends.

Dave Lister remarked after hearing that "Well of course he'd say that. All his mates were French."

Consider the bare economics.

Married people get bigger quarters.

Four able crewmen in bunks in a broom closet ignoring at least 3 of the 4 other people visiting each evening to fornicate. Pairing off to gte your own walk in closet seems like the only sane thing to do.

Consider the reality

They're all most likely die before having to deal the consequences of any failed romance to the marriage of just falling short.

Joe Carey was married too.

Is consensual bigamy illegal in the Federation?

 

[F. King Daniel]

80's Trek novels introduced the concept of group marraiges. In one (I can't remember which) Kirk almost joined one. He would have been a "co-husband" to the woman he loved.

 

[Timewalker]

80's Trek novels introduced the concept of group marraiges. In one (I can't remember which) Kirk almost joined one. He would have been a "co-husband" to the woman he loved.

Wasn't that the novelization of ST:TMP?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Like Kirk would ever have put up with that!

And yes, for bigger quarters it would be worth it to hook up with someone compatible. BUT.. they don't just have spare quarters sitting around unused do they? So no guarantee there are any more double quarters? Or do they make people move in with more crewmates to something smaller and give up their bigger quarters?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's probably about re/moving walls.

Surely they'd have staterooms on standby for dignitaries and Admirals?

The bunk image in my head is from the Excelsior. Ensigns like Harry get a solo Quarters but I'm not sure about the enlisted ranks whether they double up? Voyager would have masses of spare area/space for refugees and transport... Consider how easily they billeted another 200 Klingons in Prophecy!

If there was a shortage in space Kes and Nlix would have been given separate quarters? Or Neelix would have lived on his ship in the cargo bay if Kes didn't want to be thought of one of those types of girls.

The Borg kids regenerated in alcoves.

Was Seven given a room or was that just in her holoprogram?

Did Sam Wildman get bigger quarters after Naomi?

 

[od0_ital]

... Consider how easily they billeted another 200 Klingons in Prophecy!

Obviously Neelix didn't use his ship as his quarters, since he wound up roomin' with Tuvok while the Klingons were aboard.

Was Seven given a room or was that just in her holoprogram?

That was just the holoprogram.

Did Sam Wildman get bigger quarters after Naomi?

Probably, since Naomi had her own bedroom.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Back to Divorce...

Both members of a couple want to pack it in, neither one of them would be allowed to keep the larger Quarters unless they had a new spouse waiting in the wings.

What about when Naomi wants to make it on her own? Sam gets kicked back to a smaller quarters... However as a Civilian would Naomi get smaller quarters than if she was a cadet? And wouldn't this be an incentive for Mommy to keep the child in the nest? Or at least to continue procreating?

 

[exodus]

Ensigns like Harry get a solo Quarters but I'm not sure about the enlisted ranks whether they double up?

Didn't the Ensigns in "Good Shepherd" share quarters?
Isn't that why Tal was whispering into her communicator in the middle of the night to her hypochondraic friend?

However, too answer your OQ.
I think due to the events in "Message in a Bottle", it gave the rest of the crew hope of seeing their loved ones again. Too Be'Lanna, her family was the Maquis and Tom's friends were all con artists in a bar. So all they ever had was each other.

What about when Naomi wants to make it on her own? Sam gets kicked back to a smaller quarters... However as a Civilian would Naomi get smaller quarters than if she was a cadet? And wouldn't this be an incentive for Mommy to keep the child in the nest? Or at least to continue procreating?

Are you assuming nobody else is ever going to die by the time she reaches that age?

Neelix has moved out.
1 empty room right there.
Who moved into Kes' quarters?
Suder's? Carey's? Jonas'? Seska's?
Tom & Be'Lanna moving in together adds one more.

 

[janeway59]

I think it's Future's End, the doctor just got his mobile emiter and he ask for quarters, the look on Janeway's face is, "like that's ever going to happen." Not enough room?
In the second episode, all of security is moved to a different deck to save room....

 

[od0_ital]

^

Why does the Doctor need quarters?

He has almost unfettered access to the holodecks, can turn himself off & on, doesn't require sleep, and certainly can't use the restroom.

What the hell would he need a room for?

At least Odo used his for shapeshiftin' stuff...

 

[Guy Gardener]

He doesn't need them, he wants them, and if you say he doesn't need them then he has to ask if there are any other crew-members who are not allowed to have accomodation, you know, is there any one else tied, shackled to their work station like a slave chained to the oar of some 2nd century bc Phonecian galley?

Dude thought he was people.

OKay.

Did Suder have roommates before he murdered that spud? if you can trick Tuvok into thinking that your roommate is a criminal, then it is you who gets room to breath!

 

[od0_ital]

He wasn't "shackled" - he could go to the holodeck before he ever got the emitter.

And apparently there was a plan to install holoemitters in critical areas of the ship (see VOY 'Projections'). Good intentions may not amount to much, but it was the thought that counts.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And yet he still wrote a book called "Photons be free" all about how humans treat him like property.

The Doctor was an arrogant ass making unreasonable demands if he wasn't real, and really taking the world on his chin if he was real accepting being used and abused as a resource rather than a person.

Data had quarters.

He'd been in Starfleet for about 30 years before he thought to have sentient rights ratified.

 

[od0_ital]

^

Data was a physical bein' - he had to be stored somewhere durin' his off hours.

As for the Doctor's book, didn't he later apologize for it's hyper-negative version of the crew?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Barely. He claimed it was metaphor. He was sorry that they were offended, not sorry that he was offensive. You know what a victim (or Hero. All or nothing with this'ne.) he makes hmself out to be.

Data didn't require off hours. So it's a miracle he was allowed them.

It's not like a tricorder can insist that it deserves to go on a Roman Holiday after a hard week at work.

 

[od0_ital]

^

Did ya not see the Picard/Data in Klingon quarters scene in TNG 'Unification, Part One'? They had to put Data somewhere - dude could be fuckin' creepy!!!

 

[Guy Gardener]

And Picard takes pretty redheads into the ships ventilation ducts to show them his special pipe.

There's enough creepy to go round twice on that ship.

Can you imagine the next time Enterprise is taken over by baddies and Picard retreats to the ventilation ducts (again) that he doesn't point out to Geordie with some pride "And over there, I got my rocks off."

 

[od0_ital]

^

He wouldn't have to point it out - Geordi would still be able to see the residue.