Disney casts 19 year-old Halle Bailey as Ariel in "Little Mermaid."

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  1. Serveaux

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    Another live-action version of one of the best of the "renaissance" Disney cartoon features.

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    It's really going to be interesting to see how they make this one work, since the first half of the film is more-or-less underwater. That's a lot of CG makeup on performers, not to mention the visual plausibility issues of movement, etc. They seem to have had their problems with a single genie.
     
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    There was this small movie called Aquaman that seemed to handle underwater scenes well enough, I'm sure a Disney budget can figure it out.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    I like Halle on Grown-Ish.

    I want a cameo from Tomatoa (the evil crab), becuase he was talking shit about Sebastian, in Moana.
     
  4. Serveaux

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    The Atlanteans walk, hover, etc. They don't swim with fins and tails.
     
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    Melissa McCarthy as Ursula should be fun and it’s nice that Alan Menken is returning. I’m sure Lin Manuel Miranda will bring something great as well.
     
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    And the internet loses their minds. Though it did spawn a surprisingly long list on Reddit of redhead characters who have been recast to be, shall we say, very not ginger.
     
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    Please don't let this be set in modern day.

    Although there was a Cracked tube that suggested that the Lion King was post-humanity, set in the year 40,000, which is why there are all these genetically altered talking animals everywhere.
     
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    She certainly has the singing voice for Ariel, I'm interested in how they'll do the mermaid fx. Maybe they'll have some test footage at D23 this year, the director has been filming some already.
     
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    LOL--I opened this thread thinking it read Halle Berry and was thinking that Disney was going to use CGI to make her look 19 years old.
     
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    I wonder if this'll be the last of the "A-list" Disney animated movies to get entirely unnecessary redos? I mean, I'm sure there'll be more, with sequels for Jungle Books and the like, and there's always Bambi and a few others, such as Hercules and Tarzan, they could go with, but it seems to me that this flick could mark the end of a Phase, if you will, of animated-to-filmed remakes...
     
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    Poor redheads. They always seem to be replaced with black people. :)
     
  12. Serveaux

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    I was briefly confused too. Well, I have the excuse of age where familiarity with celebrity is concerned.
     
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    There would actually be some novelty to that.

    Poor Scuttle, making up lies about Budweiser six pack rings.

    Really like the idea of Awkwafina as Scuttle.
     
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    She has expressive eyes, which is key given Disney's penchant for using wide eyes in the animated versions - as everyone knows, larger eyes are more expressive, which Disney's drawn characters excel at doing. If her acting performance is as good as her eyes, that's even better. (Remember, Christopher Reeve was new to acting and people balked over him not being a name in 1978, but quickly made Superman his own, something that remains today unequivocal in performance. Like Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man or Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman (though Gal Gadot excelled.) )

    If anything, she needs a red wig - Ariel's most defining feature by far is the shocking red hair. As long as they don't use "Peggy Bundy Red", that's what Mrs. Superman used.
     
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    Redos are more popular nowadays because more shows and entities that did make an impact will be with us always. They have been going on for decades, if not longer. It's both a curse and a blessing, the latter because a remake means the original was genuinely and legitimately strong enough to keep being revived. Not just because, for example, the English language has changed significantly and nobody wants (or is able) to read Shakespeare's originaleth version of "Romeo and Juliet" anymore and who can relate to those clueless beatnik kids anyway?

    But I doubt the phase will end. Or it might be adjusted, looking for older shows that may have been onto something but didn't nail it at every turn. 1978's Battlestar Galactica was good but lacked something, in part due to the time in which it was made and they couldn't do as much thanks to censorship. Despite the miniseries that almost clobbered it, the 2004 remake's first two seasons were simply first rate. Even if they tweaked the origin of the Cylons, which wasn't really necessary. Still, ideally this makes the best form of remake - take what was good, have a vision, improve what went wrong. One may not agree with the vision but one can still see a good vision made well versus a lame or superficially hollow copy. (Nor do the writers have it easy, it's a difficult field to be in regardless if they're trying to do something new, innovative, or - most harrowing of all - a remake because of that.)

    Or Xena - based loosely on some of Hercules' lore but the writing and actors made it their own and I don't remember them spitting on Hercules to artificially engender ersatz superiority. It's been over a decade, it's worth a rewatch but I don't recall their doing anything to stamp all over their sibling show in a feeble attempt to look better. Like making Wesley Crusher look smarter by scripting all the adults as pure sheepdip, it never works and it's amazing that people still believe the basic "make the hero look good by making everyone else look bad" trope actually works some three plus decades after TNG dropped the ball with it.

    But I digress. Makers might screw up royally. Forget BSG, 1983's "V" was a masterpiece that innovated and expanded on tropes, clinching the deal with generally well-timed horror reveals. (Only one hasn't held up but the camera timing is just long enough... ) The 2009 version was a superficial, vapid copy relying on distant memory nostalgia and flashy visuals outdo a taut plot any day of the week. (Flashy visuals help but without a robust plot, forget it. The remake didn't begin to capture the claustrophobia the 1983 original had, nor did it have to sink to sledgehammer politicking and lame namedropping to wedge its way in. 1983 didn't need needle shooting magic spheres, the writers used a bit more tact to sell the premise. Kudos for the remake trying to encompass modern communications technology to eliminate a plot hole but in the process they accidentally made a bigger one, not related to the issue of selling claustrophobic doom...)
     
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    This is the apex of manliness on Xena.
     
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    I don't know if you consider The Sword in the Stone A-list, but Disney has had a live-action version of that in the pipeline, and it supposedly filmed last fall. However, they're not planning on releasing it theatrically, just on Disney+.
     
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    I compiled all the examples I found in the recent discussions online.

    Little Orphan Annie
    Ariel
    Zendeya as MJ (sort of, in practice if not fact)
    Starfire in Titans (really doesn't count)
    Alice Monaghan in Hellboy
    Jimmy Olsen
    Iris West
    Kid Flash
    Hawkgirl
    Triss Merigold
    Josie on Riverdale
    Heimdall (inconsistently drawn)
    Electro (rarely seen without helmet)

    This is actually rather impressive considering redheads are only 2% of the population. Now I sort of want to find out how that compares to The overall number of race switches. That doesn't even count examples like Lana Lang.

    I'm not taking a moral position on this, but I do find it interesting.
     
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  19. Guy Gardener

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    Ursula transforms into brunette Ariel duplicate for a chunk of the movie.

    Not exactly identical, but Halle has a twin sister. :)
     
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    I'll admit, my first thought was "but isn't the *really long red hair* kind of iconic for this particular version of the character?" Not that I have a problem with it (I'd need to be especially attached the the original movie first), I'm just surprised that from a purely commercial standpoint they'd stray so far off from established brand identity. No doubt the usual suspect will loose their shit over this, regardless.

    I guess they could give her a long red hairpiece (which would almost certainly be a CGI replacement for the underwater scenes, red or no red) but doesn't women of colour wearing hairpieces to make them looks more Caucasian open up an entirely different dinglehopper full of problematicness?