Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Queen?

[Guy Gardener]

Foreshadowing in Voyager? I'm being ridiculous. Sorry. But just imagine that it might have been possible? The hypothetical resolution to the war with the Borg acted out in the play from Muse was exciting and noble... Didn't it leave a tiny stirring widget in the back of your brain waiting that that woman was eventually going to turn on the rest of the crew to actualize Borg manifest destiny over Janeway's able little posse?

 

[Kegek]

I don't follow. Seven didn't become the Queen.

"Muse" was one of VOY's best episodes, though.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

In the play within Muse according to the script she did, and anyway disguise and misunderstood identity were always an important element in the classics... Or at least in that Play, that that character had always been Queen of the Borg.

Which would make it like "The Mouse Trap" from Hamlet. Of course that was more of a postmortem than prophetic in nature. We hear now and then about Ronald Moore being cockblocked for not being allowed to put Benny Russel in the last episode of DS9. I was thinking that this might have been an idea of Joe Menoski's which wasn't allowed to run free?

 

[Kegek]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

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Doubtless he had a lot of observational fun about the difficulty of creating entertaining drama in this episode, but I think if making Seven the Borg Queen was a twist he enjoyed, it was more wishful thinking than anything serious proposal.

 

[nx1701g]

Spoiler: TNG Novels

Read the recent TNG novels and you'll get a surprise - just you listed the wrong character as Queen

 

[Kegek]

^
Uh, if you're going to use spoiler code, can you give us a less elusive spoiler?

 

[The Borg Queen]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

What happened in Muse?

It's been too long since I saw that episode...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

B'Lanna crashed on a low tech world. A playwrite found her shuttle. While he was nursing her back to health, he was listening to a copy of Voyager's Logs so as to learn about Voyager, her crew and their enemies. he made up a story about these people claiming they were gods. I don't think the Prime Directive was mentioned once?

Tom kissed both DeLanney sisters. And Janeway only thought she had liberated a Drone, who was really the Queen and secretly plotting the downfall of Voyager from within. Their manner of Theatre used masks held in front of their faces on sticks. The Actress who played the Borg Queen/Seven(Ruby from Enterprise.) had two, and they vocalized their thoughts by talking to tot he audience in a different tone. But seconds after telling the Audience that she is secretly the Borg Queen, "but they shouldn't tell anyone" then it is Janeway says something about trusting Seven and being nice, but then has an aside tot he audience where she says that she knows that Seven of Nine is really secretly the Borg Queen... But that they shouldn't tell anyone that she knows it. It was all about information and counter information.

Which book are you talking about nx1701g?

 

[Jack Bauer]

Kegek said:
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Uh, if you're going to use spoiler code, can you give us a less elusive spoiler?

Spoiler: The novel is called Before Dishonor and in it

Janeway gets turned into the Borg Queen. I don't know how as I haven't read it yet.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

Well, that's an odd choice, the "two" Borg Queens that we have met have intensively used sensuality to coerce people into needing to be her drones and... Well I guess the Borg have given up on that method of assimilation.

 

[The Borg Queen]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

If anyone was going to be the new Borg Queen I'd have said Naomi Wildeman.

 

[Sisu]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

I would have said Neelix

 

[propita]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

"Muse" was about B'Elanna's perceptions of things.

B'Elanna (at that time) didn't care for Tom all that much, and evidently had gotten over Chakotay herself, wanting him to be with Janeway.

And B'Elanna NEVER did like Seven--so what else would she make Seven but the arch-enemy?

I did like a fan-fic based on this episode. I think it was called "Another Muse"? Nicely done.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

Tom and B'Elanna had been dating after admitting their loving feelings for each other at the beginning of season 4. But yeah, the writers totally forgot about this relationship for what seemed like "years" that I was really surprised when it did resurface now and then having completely forgotten about it more than once.

She made him a TV. Now that's love.

 

[RainCrystal]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

I didn't realise Seven was a Borg Queen, but that must explain why the Borg Queen was quite attached to Seven in a motherly way.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

In later episodes it seemed like Seven was intended to replace the Queen should something happen to her.

 

[Peacemaker]

Re: Did u think Muse was Foreshadowing about 7 being the Que

Jack Bauer said:

Kegek said:
^
Uh, if you're going to use spoiler code, can you give us a less elusive spoiler?

Spoiler: The novel is called Before Dishonor and in it

Janeway gets turned into the Borg Queen. I don't know how as I haven't read it yet.

I figured that would be it. I actually tossed that idea out on this very BBS about the time Endgame first aired. In my story, Endgame took place in the future with Janeway's mind being replaced by the Queen's many years previously. She uses her influence in Starfleet to secretly break down Earth's defences. Our heroes figure it out and come looking for her. Unable to find her, they track her down in a hidden lair, where we get the obligatory assembly scene, in which Janeway is assembled just like the Borg Queen, having converted her body into a facimile of Janeway too. At the end, Seven plugs into the Borg Network and finds Janeway in a Unimatrix Zero environment. There is a struggle between the real Janeway and the Queen paralleled in the real world by a Borg invasion of Earth. The real Janeway prevails and orders to Borg to self-destruct; then, knowing what is left of her in the real world, she triggers her own end in the real world too.