Spoilers Did Lower Decks finale 'hat tip' SCE?

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  1. Destructor

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    Apologies if this as already been discussed, but I thought it was interesting that Sonya Gomez was Captain of the 'Archimedes', since she'd already been Captain of another ship that was named after a famous European polymath?
     
  2. DGCatAniSiri

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    I feel like it was at the least a nod and acknowledgement of the novels to take THIS PARTICULAR character the novels had built up and promoted and give her this role. Like, there are several characters who could have had the role, or even given it to an original character, and instead, they went the extra mile to not just use Sonya Gomez, but even got her original actress (who seems to mostly focus on her career in journalism these days) to voice her.

    I mean, maybe it was just that Sonya was an attempt at building a crew of “lower decks” in to TNG that ended up fizzling out, to show that the ensign who spilled her hot chocolate on Captain Jean-Luc Picard made her way to command, and there’s hope for our band of lower decks crew, but with authors like Kirsten Beyer and David Mack actually working with modern Trek production, even if not Lower Decks specifically, I can see it being at least an Easter egg for novel fans that worked with their overall planned storyline for this episode.
     
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    I find it a bit disappointing that Gomez was not shown as CO of the da Vinci when the Saber class is already longstanding canon and she also had succeeded Captain Gold at this point in the novel continuity.
     
  4. Christopher

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    I think it's a stretch to believe there was any acknowledgment of the books intended. A ton of Starfleet vessels are named after European scientists and scholars, so that vague similarity isn't remotely enough to go on. And as DGCat said, Gomez was probably chosen because she was the original "lower decks"-type character in the TNG era.
     
  5. Mage

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    I have no idea how copyright issues work for the novels, so could it be that the publishers of the books have a claim to that name?
    Again, I have NO CLUE as to how the rights work when it comes to the novels and such.
     
  6. Brefugee

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    Everything is under the CBS banner, there are no copyright conflicts between the different TV series and the books.
     
  7. Mage

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    Ah, ok. Well, in any case, I think it was awesome seeing Gomez again. Lower Decks is really just an amazing and fun show that has such a huge Star Trek heart at its core. You can tell the people behind it really care about what came before.
     
  8. Christopher

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    The da Vinci wouldn't have served their purposes here, because the idea is that the Cerritos is a smaller, second-tier starship and this mission had them supporting a larger, front-line starship, and then having to come to its rescue and take the lead unexpectedly. But the da Vinci is an even smaller, more specialized ship than the Cerritos, much the same kind of second-tier ship that gets sent on followup and support missions. So it wouldn't have fit the story.
     
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    I assume it's at most an easter egg to the novels, nothing more.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Probably because the Saber class isn't big or majestic enough. It's probably smaller than the California class.

    The big thing in this episode was "small ship rescues big ship". Couldn't do that with something as small as a Saber.
     
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  11. JD

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    I have a feeling Gomez being a captain was just a coincidence and not a purposeful reference to the novels. If it was intended as a reference to the books, I would think there would have been a refence to the SCE or her having served on the Da Vinci.
     
  12. Destructor

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    Also, it'd be pretty standard for Captain's to graduate to larger ships as they got more acclaim, so not surprising that Gomez is the Captain of a ship that isn't the Da Vinci.

    I'd not be even slightly surprised if Mike McMahan could cite you chapter and verse on the novelverse.
     
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  13. Mr. Laser Beam

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    If McMahan had actually wanted to use the da Vinci (instead of the Archimedes) for LD, would he have been able to?

    Or would there be rights issues at play that would prevent this?

    (you know, like how they couldn't use T'Pau on ENT, or Nick Locarno on VOY, because the original writers of the eps where those characters appeared, would be owed some serious coin)
     
  14. David cgc

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    No, everything done by the authors in Trek novels is owned by the studio lock, stock, and barrel. Besides, the real obstacle to using the da Vinci would be that the story called for the Cerritos to be rescuing a more powerful ship, and a Sabre is tiny (and the Cerritos is apparently surprisingly large for shuttle bay reasons. It’s the White Star all over again).
     
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  15. The Wormhole

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    No. There were no rights issues preventing The Titan from being Luna class on Lower Decks or Control being on Disco, or the Vanguard design being used in TOSR and Lower Decks, so why would there be right issues preventing the da Vinci showing up in Lower Decks?
     
  16. Mr. Laser Beam

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    DSC's Control really has nothing to do with the novelverse version. They just happen to have the same name.
     
  17. The Wormhole

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    The point still stands, Disco featured an AI that ran Section 31 named Control, a concept that was originally introduced in the novels, and there were no rights preventing them from doing that, so why would there be rights preventing Lower Decks from featuring a Starfleet starship named USS da Vinci?
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ Hey, don't look at me...if there's no problem, then no problem, right?

    Actually I wouldn't have even thought of that if not for the other characters I just mentioned. Why would there be NO problem with what you were talking about (Control, etc.) but characters like T'Pau and Locarno could not be used again without paying royalties to whoever wrote the eps where they first appeared? What's the difference, legally speaking? :confused:
     
  19. F. King Daniel

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    IIRC, I read laws changed and when ENT actually finally featured T'Pau, they weren't obligated to make payments. But I did read it online, soooo....?
     
  20. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I thought that was because when T'Pau DID appear on ENT, she was only there that one time.

    T'Pol, OTOH, needed to be created because they couldn't use T'Pau as a regular series character.

    Or something like that.

    Fucking lawyers...the enemy of common sense. :lol: